WCK and Ground Fighting

[LaRoux]

Luckily in CRCA WC we do address these scenarios and train as real a possible. We can't poke each other in the eyes, kick each other in the twig and Berries or bite. But we can say take the fight to any range of combat while striking and train for it.

That's great in theory, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence for this actually happening.

[CRCAVA]

@LaRoux I can see you have a high respect for BJJ and you understand Dave Camarillos caliber of grappling. If you question my caliber of grappling here is a video from Camarilo about me... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVM6LMm9dpc&sns=em

[LaRoux]

You have to consider the delivery system used to deliver the gouges, bites, rips, tears. is it fundamentally sound to allow you to control your opponent while gouging or biting, or is more of an act of desperation?

For instance, under mount. If the mounted person is trained, ripping, gouging, biting has no leverage, and will just anger them and get you hurt. Instead, survive, collect yourself, escape.

Exactly. Of course, the "principle" based guys will think they can do the same things from bottom mount as they can from top mount.

[LaRoux]

@LaRoux I can see you have a high respect for BJJ and you understand Dave Camarillos caliber of grappling. If you question my caliber of grappling here is a video from Camarilo about me... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVM6LMm9dpc&sns=em

That's great that Dave thinks you are a dynamic teacher. That still shows zero evidence of you having teams that are training under pressure in live environments.

Sorry, but every instructor who has teams competing has videos of those teams competing that show the techniques they are using in those competitions.

[CRCAUSA]

Why is it the arm chair warrior expects everyone to provide him with evidence they know what they're doing when he has shown us nothing of himself in an MMA fight, sparring, working out in a dojo or what system he has even trained in let alone what rank he has acheived. Sorry no one has anything to prove to you.

[Robinhood]

I cited several above for generating power ... I am not certain of your question.

Sorry , question was not for you, I agree with your posts.

The question was for the guys that think principles of physics are different just because someone is not standing.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Why is it the arm chair warrior expects everyone to provide him with evidence they know what they're doing when he has shown us nothing of himself in an MMA fight, sparring, working out in a dojo or what system he has even trained in let alone what rank he has acheived. Sorry no one has anything to prove to you.

Extraordinary claims require evidence.
It's just that simple.

[Wayfaring]

@LaRoux I can see you have a high respect for BJJ and you understand Dave Camarillos caliber of grappling. If you question my caliber of grappling here is a video from Camarilo about me... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVM6LMm9dpc&sns=em

No questions from me on caliber. Camarillo is great - highly technical and has fought and trained high level MMA fighters. And if you're helping RW on the ground stuff over time I trust it will be fundamentally sound.

I prob will still discuss detail to keep it real and help the guys with less exposure get the right ideas on ground fundamentals into their minds though.

[LaRoux]

Why is it the arm chair warrior expects everyone to provide him with evidence they know what they're doing when he has shown us nothing of himself in an MMA fight, sparring, working out in a dojo or what system he has even trained in let alone what rank he has acheived. Sorry no one has anything to prove to you.

OK, I'll post some for you then.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkBGH...42WnfP4ahRfkFQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETImW...42WnfP4ahRfkFQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udwE_...42WnfP4ahRfkFQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b99dh...RfkFQ&index=30


Clearly, your guys are doing at least some realistic training against resisting opponents and you have some videos of this.

So the logical question would be if you are really putting together competition teams as you claim, why is there no evidence for that?

Are you lying about the competitions?
Are you puffing up your actual credentials?
Or are you worried that people are going to say, "Where's the wing chun?"
Or are you worried that people are going to say, "Hey, those techniques aren't anything like the ones Randy was showing."

Like I said from the beginning, something is fishy here.

[Wayfaring]

OK, I'll post some for you then.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkBGH...42WnfP4ahRfkFQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETImW...42WnfP4ahRfkFQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udwE_...42WnfP4ahRfkFQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b99dh...RfkFQ&index=30

Looks like some pretty nice tactical drilling there. the gear looks very well thought through to allow for some great live drilling.

[Robinhood]

OK, I'll post some for you then.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkBGH...42WnfP4ahRfkFQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETImW...42WnfP4ahRfkFQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udwE_...42WnfP4ahRfkFQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b99dh...RfkFQ&index=30


Clearly, your guys are doing at least some realistic training against resisting opponents and you have some videos of this.

So the logical question would be if you are really putting together competition teams as you claim, why is there no evidence for that?

Are you lying about the competitions?
Are you puffing up your actual credentials?
Or are you worried that people are going to say, "Where's the wing chun?"
Or are you worried that people are going to say, "Hey, those techniques aren't anything like the ones Randy was showing."

Like I said from the beginning, something is fishy here.

Their probably just working the same crowds, its good business, no big deal.

[WingChunNovice]

Sorry , question was not for you, I agree with your posts.

The question was for the guys that think principles of physics are different just because someone is not standing.

Thanks, yeah just had me confused. Multi-tasking at the office :P

[WingChunNovice]

Exactly. Of course, the "principle" based guys will think they can do the same things from bottom mount as they can from top mount.

Can't change the laws of physics LaRoux ... or can you? I am curious of your martial arts background and experience level?

Clearly you prefer to remain anonymous so no need to mention instructors but some idea or perspective of where you are coming from would be helpful to put relevance to your prolific posting.

I have trained in various systems since 1975. Mostly a Parker Kenpo background (25+ years), some FMA and most recently Wing Chun.

[LaRoux]

Can't change the laws of physics LaRoux ... or can you? I am curious of your martial arts background and experience level?

Are you saying you think the same principles apply to bottom mount as top mount?

[WingChunNovice]

the 90s called it wants its thread back please

News flash i too can eye gouge, rip your ear off and bite you if we meet i the street, only difference is i have a decade of grappling experience so want to guess who will be in a controlling position (in the clinch or on the ground) to dictate who can and cant do the above???

All good points, its about the practitioner as I mentioned. Never under estimate your opponent and hey if "illegal" techniques work on the street why change them?

My point is no rules (for either guy) ... I am not knocking the ground game at all.