Originally Posted by
SHemmati
exactly, and that's why i in previous posts said these two sets seem older than Jue Yuan and others' activities. they are nothing like post-Jue Yuan material. they are like the same ancient 27 and 54 posture sets we hear about everywhere, those that are said to be inherited by Maioxing. albeit, some resources say that Miaoxing's version was an extended version of those three 27/54/108 posture sets, something like Liu Zhenhai and Yongxin/Yanzhuang's Luohan quans, extended versions of these two Xiao and Da forms. they've been taught widely by Miaoxing, most likely that's why we see these two forms almost everywhere.
* (of course, if Zhu Tianxi's Luohan forms are not from Degen, then his Luohan quan must have been like Liu Zhenhai VCDs. btw, at the time, Zhu is the closest to Degen and this is again a less likely guess for young Zhu to have created all those forms, this needs confirmation.)