Pure System

[lkfmdc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocMJfZkADI4

starting at 1:40 you see early KMT attempts at "sanshou/sanda"...

[Neeros]

r u frend of david carradine

LOL!!

No doubt.

[Neeros]

How will these principals effect your kung fu?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoQB8pBxz7U

They wouldn't really. Those principles are excellent for boxing, not so good for kung fu.

A good boxing stance isn't a good kung fu stance, and a good kung fu stance isn't a good boxing stance.

He mentioned for a punch to push into the ground and lead off the front foot, and keep the heel of the back foot up. In kung fu you keep both feet planted, lead off the back foot and utilize waist rotation for power.

If you don't utilize the foundational principles and skills of kung fu, yet you try to apply kung fu techniques to the foundational principles of boxing then are you actually using kung fu?

[YouKnowWho]

How will these principals effect your kung fu?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoQB8pBxz7U

The boxing buncing foot work "fire strategy" is just one of the many TCMA footwork.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyottmoPIYI

TCMA footwork has much more.

[-N-]

They wouldn't really. Those principles are excellent for boxing, not so good for kung fu.

A good boxing stance isn't a good kung fu stance, and a good kung fu stance isn't a good boxing stance.

He mentioned for a punch to push into the ground and lead off the front foot, and keep the heel of the back foot up. In kung fu you keep both feet planted, lead off the back foot and utilize waist rotation for power.

If you don't utilize the foundational principles and skills of kung fu, yet you try to apply kung fu techniques to the foundational principles of boxing then are you actually using kung fu?

Brendan Lai included the raised rear heel in his Praying Mantis. We use raised heel for speed and mobility, and planted heel for power.

Nan Jing Guo Shu in the 1920's included boxing. Jiang Hao Quan integrated boxing into his kung fu. It was one of his trademarks.

[-N-]

Does "pure system" have any value in our 21th centry? Your thought?

Provides good foundation and understanding of classical methods.

Have a strong base and proceed from there.

[YouKnowWho]

and proceed from there.

That's the important words. You just don't stop there. If a wrestler doesn't mind to train "jumping side kick", a striker shouldn't mind to train "hip throw" either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXNx5...ature=youtu.be

[MightyB]

They wouldn't really. Those principles are excellent for boxing, not so good for kung fu.

A good boxing stance isn't a good kung fu stance, and a good kung fu stance isn't a good boxing stance.

He mentioned for a punch to push into the ground and lead off the front foot, and keep the heel of the back foot up. In kung fu you keep both feet planted, lead off the back foot and utilize waist rotation for power.

If you don't utilize the foundational principles and skills of kung fu, yet you try to apply kung fu techniques to the foundational principles of boxing then are you actually using kung fu?

[MightyB]

In all fairness: I should ad something to my critique of Neeros's statement.

In general - it's ok to have that purist point of view if it's tempered with real world cross playing of hands.

Nothing he say's is inherently wrong in a greater point of view, but I don't believe that particular statement is based on real world personal experience.

Is cross training necessary? yes and no, or it depends.

I'll give this example, my son has no interest in grappling - he thinks a lot of it is uber g@y... especially anything that involves spandex and sweaty mens rolling around together in quazi erotic fashion... ie north south position or the triangle.

He is into striking though - he loves it, so I tell him plainly that he has to practice in a realistic manner, and he has to test and evolve through playing hands seriously with people from other styles including wrestling. He has to do it, nobody can explain theory well enough for that to be the answer - it has to be experienced and I'm strongly encouraging him to do Judo as a compliment to his striking - so we work on throws, basic positions of control and sweeps and escapes if only to better prepare him for a worst case scenario where someone did take him down.

[MightyB]

So we have my son that's never going to be a MMA fighter because he doesn't like grappling, but loves striking and I want to see him reach his full potential. One way to do that is to find someone who's really good at western boxing to train him because western boxing IMO compliments a realized version of TCMA that's based in reality extremely well.

If anything, learning western boxing hands will make any TCMA hands better. <period>

IMO, cross training with other coaches and experts can lead to a better "Pure" TCMA in the long run.

[lkfmdc]

meet the new troll, same as the old troll

[MightyB]

meet the new troll, same as the old troll

Hopefully you don't mean me because I'm like an old troll.

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This is my favorite vid that you've posted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln3kXN01dos

How can anybody watch real boxing training in action and not want to incorporate it for themselves?

[lkfmdc]

This is my favorite vid that you've posted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln3kXN01dos

I have learned a ton of great stuff from Greg over the years

[Kellen Bassette]

If anything, learning western boxing hands will make any TCMA hands better. <period>

IMO, cross training with other coaches and experts can lead to a better "Pure" TCMA in the long run.

Yes and......yes.

[-N-]

I'll give this example, my son has no interest in grappling - he thinks a lot of it is uber g@y... especially anything that involves spandex and sweaty mens rolling around together in quazi erotic fashion... ie north south position or the triangle.

Just do continuous sparring with him, take him to the ground, and make him fight his way back out and up.

It helps to laugh and ridicule him as you ease up a little, then keep putting him back down on the ground or submitting him.

Did that with my kids and nephews. Cures them fast.