Ron Goninan
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I've already started another thread about a similar controversy surrounding the Zhang-Sanfeng-Tai-Chi-Chuan-bid-as-China-Intangible-Cultural-Heritage. We've been covering in our print magazine since my NOV+DEC 2011 cover story, Escaping Buddha’s Grasp.
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"A controversy has erupted in Chinese martial arts circles over who will be chosen as the officially sanctioned inheritor of the legacy of Wing Chun-style kung fu."
If this is an "eruption", it is one of the slowest and longest lasting in history.
Only the University of Queensland Pitch Drop Experiment has lasted longer.
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My question is why do we need a head piece "Grandmaster" or what ever you call it, to represent all the lineages. It's better to leave it alone. Let each family do their own thing. As Wing Chun evolves it's going to change and become perhaps in some families a different style anyway. To me it's funny,Ip man taught many students yet each one thinks their Wing Chun is special or different..laughable. It's all the same. The information is encoded in the forms and the songs of the Wing Chun..The only differences are the teachers themselves. Some suck,most are ok and a few are very good. That's it!
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There are systems and cultures that lend themselves to a hierarchy, like the Japanese Koryu, but TCMA are not one of them.
Especially WC it seems.
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He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
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Well, it is and it isn't. It's about the Intangible Cultural Heritage bid. In order for such a bid to be submitted, there must be a governing body of some sort in place to submit it. There were nearly 300 submissions for this round, and it's a big deal, not only because acceptance will grant some government support, but more so because it's a feeder to the UNESCO Intangible Cultural Heritage. Shaolin has been trying to get that for years (see UNESCO-and-the-politics-of-culture). That's a huge deal.
Note that Intangible Cultural Heritage includes all sorts of cultural traditions, not just martial arts. It's food, art, music, dance, countless folk traditions that are bidding for national (and eventually international) recognition in order to give more support for preservation. Now, for something like WC, I have no fear about it going extinct soon. Same for Shaolin really. For high profile martial arts that have a lot of followers, it's more about face. And you know how the Chinese are about face. But for some of the more obscure styles, like say Sun Bin quan (already accepted as a National Intangible Cultural Heritage, as is Shaolin), it can be great support. So you see why WC wants to pull it together and get China Intangible Cultural Heritage status. If Sun Bin quan has it, why not WC?
We all know the answer. It's about feuding.
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There is no REAL secrets in Wing Chun, but because the forms are conceptual you have to know how to decipher the information..That's the secret..
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There is no REAL secrets in Wing Chun, but because the forms are conceptual you have to know how to decipher the information..That's the secret..
never mind I guess my post was edited. I Just back up a bit,Ip Chun I think is 90 years old now,so I would suppose his health would be more important then training wing chun to be a Bad Ass. However, I don't think he teaches wing chun just for health. My point is yes we have some teachers that have more or less knowledge then some others and skill level is different also,but Wing Chun is Wing Chun if you know and understand the basics you will be able to grasp the higher levels of the training. No one lineage has the pure Wing Chun. One should just focus on the training instead of the lineage. in the end you will out grow the lineage and the style itself.
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