I don't know about non-Chinese instructors, but it's obviously still common, as video tutorial kinds of things are modern. The idea of not sharing full knowledge to outsiders, or those unqualified (different folks have different stipulations for this), and especially not just openly to the public is very deeply rooted in Chinese MA culture. ...WSL was also Chinese...
"Wing Chun is a bell that appears when rung.
The images I used were to express Ideas relating to shifting and mechanics of tools. Which I think demo my points. Another thread might be "How Kung Fu Masters Obfuscate and Deceive by Sabotage and Hiding Technologies."
Last edited by Happy Tiger; 09-02-2015 at 04:34 PM.
"Wing Chun is a bell that appears when rung.
OK, I accept that many Chinese sifu's hold back certain details and may "mark" movements and forms released to the public in books and videos. My old sifu, LT, often did this with his published materials. So on another forum when LFJ criticized certain movements in LT's 116 movement dummy form as shown in the 1981 Yip Chun/LT book, I immediately recognized that he was referring to one such "marked" section. So what? Those marked movements or "signatures" are details in forms and practice sequences, not fundamentals. Keeping a bit back is really fairly harmless. Tan-da, by contrast is a pretty basic movement.
If LFJ is correct, it makes WSL come across as being very deceptive and unreliable. Now maybe my old sifu had that reputation, but WSL? Say it isn't so!
Last edited by PalmStriker; 09-03-2015 at 11:37 AM.
I don't think so. If you are a legit student, you will learn properly. If you're trying to learn off a video, then you shouldn't have high expectations. One should only watch that for entertainment or a very shallow intro to WC.
What he showed isn't "wrong" by most WC lineages anyway. When invited to other sifus' schools to hold seminars, he often taught general ideas like that that didn't accord with his own approach but were basic and common enough already. At one such seminar in Europe, a legit student of his assisting said to him privately "hey, this isn't what you taught me". Then he told him he didn't want to embarrass the sifu in front of their students... A few minutes later he told his student he could teach them the "right" way. As a result, all the seminar attendees dug it and began studying under him afterward.
I think I got my nose outa joint abit ,feeling you were implying I learned my VT from tapes and books.
Although I've never referred to myself as anything other than a student I am well trained formally in VT including direct instruction from sigong WSL.(1995) and Tsui Sheung Tin sigong (1998). I'm a permanent lifetime member of the VTAA.(Christmas day 1998) .I worked for over four years for GM Leung Tings sister at Kuen way martial art Supply having wonderfull opertunities for inside info on the Kung Fu scene and continue to train with all kinds of fighters always enjoying meeting new challenges. Definitely not home schooled at any rate.
I understand the points you are making but imo that's not what I have been pointing to in my presentation.
Last edited by Happy Tiger; 09-04-2015 at 01:59 AM.
"Wing Chun is a bell that appears when rung.
I was not at all implying that. I was using "you" in the general sense of "one"... Except when you posted a picture apparently to refute that taan-da was not a part of WSL's approach to VT fighting.