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actually, despite the rhetoric, looks like a good amount of Judo and Taekwondo has been added into their training... nothign wrong with that, but the "it's all kung fu" stuff is a bit much
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Qin Na and Shuai Jiao are required courses.
TKD are popular in police academy, and colleges, and actually TKD schools are everywhere. There are also TKD city, town teams etc. That is part of reasons that Taiwan has won several TKD Olympic medals over the years.
When TKD was starting in south Korea, the government of Taiwan was promoting it in a big way. All military, police, colleges and even high schools etc.
I had some lessons in TKD as well as Kuo Shu clubs in High school in the late 70's.
I moved to the states in the 80's.
Man. It has been almost 20 years.
Edit: TKD is still the most popular "style" in Taiwan.
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As far as a SWAT unit is concerned-
If I was a criminal I would much rather go against the Taiwan SWAT, who spend a good amount of time training in martial arts, than LA County Sheriff's SWAT or FBI's HRT, who spend most of the training on shooting and weapons tactics.
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Some of the footwork for the kicking looked more like tkd than kung fu but the throws all looked like shuai chiao to me.
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no offense but the throws right into the arm bars looked a lot more like Judo
I have the Taiwan Police college materials from teh 80's when Chang Dung Sheng and company were still running the show, this looks way different
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Look at the throw just after the 1 minute mark and tell me that guy isn't jumping to make it look good. What's with the acrobatic board breaaking?
In fact why are they doing so much kicking, punching and breaking? Shouldn't they work more disarms and control moves? Guess they don't have to worry about getting sued for excessive force.
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I was taught armlocks like those in kung fu, in anycase the throws are shuai chiao even if the follow ups are controversial. I've seen the Chang Dong Sheng police material as well but that wasn't all the shaui chiao material. Don't forget that there is more than one style of shuai chiao as well. Also nobody claimed that that was shuai chiao the art. Shuai chiao skills in different kung fu styles vary.no offense but the throws right into the arm bars looked a lot more like Judo
I have the Taiwan Police college materials from teh 80's when Chang Dung Sheng and company were still running the show, this looks way different
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having studed Shuai Jiao with Jeng Hsin Ping and being friendly with Daniel Weng, I know a little about Shuai Jioa and what was taught at the Police academy and different styles of Shuai Jiao....
The board breaking and the flying kicks are pretty obviously NOT Shuai Jiao, if you want to "split hairs' and say "the throw is shuai jiao, even though the arm bar is judo"... well, that's ok.... never seen a SINGLE LEG OVER straight arm bar in Shuai Jiao
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that was a cool video.
as far as footwork looks like tkd, you are probably right but i saw kung fu lol.
they were probably doing some flashy stuff for the tv show not wanting to reveal too much of what they do.
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It looked like the Paul Mitchell demo team. Betcha their real training looks different.
I quit after getting my first black belt because the school I was a part of was in the process of lowering their standards A painfully honest KC Elbows
The crap that many schools do is not the crap I was taught or train in or teach.
Dam nit... it made sense when it was running through my head.
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That's how I envision the future of MAs. It's a blend- a lot of Judo and TKD plus they we're drilling some old-skool kf forms. Looked almost like Tom Tuy. Lot's of Chin Na... definitely a fun look'n hybrid.
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My opinion-
aside from the high kicks (that have a snap to them similiar to TKD) - everything else can be Taiwanese (Bao Ding) Shuai Jiao - Chi na is being used in the execution of throw- which is a part of the art.
(actually even the breaking could Chinese - Qi Gong training )
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This is exactly why this forum is so convoluted. Like they only have 1 hour/3 times a week to do all their training or something.
Hint: they have all day.
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It's a valid point though. How many hours/day do you think these guys train H2H? Now compare that with SWAT and other similar forces in the states. Even if the discrepency is only 30 minutes, which is HIGHLY unlikely, that is still 2.5 hours/week (5 day work week) more weapon training/tactics and 130 hours/year more weapon training/tactics. Let's take 2 year veterans now. They have 260 hours more weapons training.OT:
This is exactly why this forum is so convoluted. Like they only have 1 hour/3 times a week to do all their training or something.
Hint: they have all day.
That is a rather staggering difference and would speak to efficiency in combat using such methods. This is why the "use the stuff that special forces guys for h2h" line is so ridiculous. It is almost an after thought since if you are weaponless and alone facing somebody with a weapon, you are likely screwed pretty hard at that point.
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