Is CMA / Kung Fu , on the whole,a......

[MightyB]

I disagree. Change your training methods, because all of my guys can Kick, Punch, Throw, and Wrestle pretty well.

I would rather be well-rounded than a specialist.

Here's an example- You're a good kicker, but most likely you would lose in a TKD match against a blackbelt tkder- You're a good puncher, but you most likely would lose in a boxing match against a good boxer- You're a good wrestler, but you most likely lose against a black belt bjjer- You're a good thrower, you would definitely lose against a competitive black belt judoka.

Catch the drift?

[MasterKiller]

that's what you think

We're 1-0 in cage fights.

What's your school's record?

[MightyB]

I don't cage fight or teach, but... in Judo- we have the top heavyweight in the region and I'm poised at being the #1 160lb Judoka in Michigan as a brown belt mind you (again- like being the smartest kid in special ed, but still it's somewhat cool).

[MasterKiller]

Here's an example- You're a good kicker, but most likely you would lose in a TKD match against a blackbelt tkder- You're a good puncher, but you most likely would lose in a boxing match against a good boxer- You're a good wrestler, but you most likely lose against a black belt bjjer- You're a good thrower, you would definitely lose against a competitive black belt judoka.

Catch the drift?

My kid beat a boxer by kicking him in the head, then submitting him with a guillotine choke.

Catch the drift?

[lkfmdc]

You do all realize I could just go on and ON.......

[MightyB]

oh yeah, and all of the previous as an old-timer-- since I'm almost 34. If I swing it financially- I'll also do well as I always do in good ol' fashioned kung fu at the Great Lakes Open. In the blessed 3 areas: forms, weapons, and san shou (although I don't like getting punched in the head anymore so I probably won't do san shou) but I'm seriously considering switching to shuai chou instead.

I really am the total package

[lkfmdc]

I really am a package

you just left it out there

[MightyB]

you just left it out there

How true

I lob 'em you strike. seriously though- I'm just saying it's hard to do well in everything. Even in competitive judo you only use about 3 throws.

[MasterKiller]

How true

I lob 'em you strike. seriously though- I'm just saying it's hard to do well in everything. Even in competitive judo you only use about 3 throws.

So add 3 punches, 3 kicks, and 3 submissions and now you're talking about CMA (philiosophically).

[sanjuro_ronin]

What I said was CMA has always had a jack-of-all trades approach.

Don;t think that Wing Chun, Hung Ga, SPM, Tai Chi, etc can qualify as "jack of all trades"...
But I know what you mean.

[MightyB]

So add 3 punches, 3 kicks, and 3 submissions and now you're talking about CMA (philiosophically).

ideally yes- but that doesn't seem to be the case in current tcma, but that's another thread.

[MightyB]

you know what- there's no way I'm doing San Shou at GLO if I go. I still hurt from my last visit when I was 27 and had my arse handed to me by I think Muhammed Ali. At least he kicked my arse like Ali.

[Becca]

CMA has always been a "jack of all trades" set up.

Ti Da Shuai Na

Western boxing, TKD, Judo, Jiu-Jitsu, Aikido, etc... all specialize; where as, a complete CMA style should contain elements of all these systems.

Afterall, why learn 18 weapons when you can only fight with one?

Then it would seem that CMA is a complete system by that definition. Maybe not a system all want to study, but complete just the same.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Then it would seem that CMA is a complete system by that definition. Maybe not a system all want to study, but complete just the same.

CMA is not A MA, no more than FMA or JMA are MA, they are generic terms for the MA of a given culture.

If you say you study CMA, I would ask you which one(s), and if I said I study JMA you woudl ask me which ones.

Now, if you tell me that you study CLF, Shuai Chiao , WC and *insert CMA devoted to weapons here*, then I would say they you are a well rounded CMA.

[HardWork8]

Then it would seem that CMA is a complete system by that definition. Maybe not a system all want to study, but complete just the same.

You took the words out of my keyboard mouth. Most major kung fu styles and quiet a few none major ones, I might add, consider a holistic approach to combat. So strictly speaking they are results of "cross training" BUT, the difference being that the various techniques fall inside the CONCEPTS AND PRINCIPLES of a given style.

This is different from some Wing Chun guy cross training in Tae Kwon Do so that he can "improve" his kicks or a Praying Mantis practitioner adding boxing to his training to "improve" his striking. Cases such as the above demonstrate a practitioner's lack of understanding for the art that he practices.

This may be through no fault of his own, because he may be training in a mediocre school of kung fu where the art is not being taught the way it was meant to be taught.