the problem with forms

[Scott R. Brown]

Does Jason Yee train for his fights using only forms? If not, I don't think it counts!

[lkfmdc]

Does Jason Yee train for his fights using only forms? If not, I don't think it counts!

(sarcasm)

strangely, Jason used to hit pads, kick a heavy bag, do drills in shin pads and sparred a lot.....

(/sarcasm)

[Scott R. Brown]

So what you are saying is, training in forms does make one a better fighter, right?

[SifuAbel]

I obviously don't belong in this conversation. Because to most of you its an either/or proposition.

I did it all, so did you, Ross. I did form work as part of a greater whole. Along with pad, bag, sparring etc etc etc. A repetition of a strike is a repetition of a strike. Its asinine to think that the same flexion and extension of the muscles needed are somehow alien if done in different methods.

[Scott R. Brown]

Yeah Abel,

No one else here ever trained/trains like that but you and Ross!

[SifuAbel]

I know its hard, but, don't be stupid. Thats not what I meant.

[Scott R. Brown]

You are the one on his high horse. I was making a joke! Try not being so stupid yourself!

[lkfmdc]

I obviously don't belong in this conversation.

and yet...........

I did it all, so did you, Ross.

and I've said many times that I wasted a huge amount of time with many things associated with "tradition" and swore I'd never waste my students' time with it.....

So don't try and drag me onto "your side"

[Yao Sing]

I like the way everyone just shrugs off point fighters when some of them can probably beat the crap out a few of the naysayers here.

So because they point fight that means they have zero real fighting skills. That hardly a logical deduction.

Chuck Norris was just a standup fighter (and at one time a point fighter) so since he isn't MMA I guess Golden Arhat can take him easily.

[lkfmdc]

I like the way everyone just shrugs off point fighters when some of them can probably beat the crap out a few of the naysayers here.

anything is possible, but I've been at this for a long time, I really really really really doubt it

Anyone who wants to spar at NY San Da is welcome to do so (you might want to ask a few forum members who have been here about it!!)

[Scott R. Brown]

Playing tag is not the same thing as getting hit and hitting someone else, rolling on the floor and getting cold c0cked in the back of the head with a bottle.

Point fighting is a game, it is not a fight. Having said that just because one plays tag does not mean they can't fight, but neither does it automatically mean they can fight.

The most efficient use of ones time is to train according to the manner in which you expect to perform. The body responds best when you train in this manner.

So if you want to punch people, practice punching people, if you want to roll on the floor with people, practice rolling on the floor with people. If you want to dance, then dance. There is nothing wrong with dancing, but don't think that dancing prepares you for bullfighting!

[Becca]

I like the way everyone just shrugs off point fighters when some of them can probably beat the crap out a few of the naysayers here.

Simple. If you like forms, you obviously don't use pads, spar, or anything else. If you happen to like forms, or even see any use for them, and are not bowing to the alter of MMA, they simply ignore you. I can't honestly think of once Ross acknowledged SPJ on a thread like this.

[lkfmdc]

everyone has an opinion, not all opinions are equal, it's tough, people hate it, but it is still true

Said it before, in TCMA a lot of talk about fighting, not so much fighting. If you are so confident in what you do, enter a FULL CONTACT MATCH, not point sparring. See how you do.

My guys have done boxing, kickboxing, San Shou, San da, Muay Thai, submission grappling, and MMA. We aren't about a "rules set", we're about being able to use what we practice for REAL

I've been doing this since 1994. My results are well documented. Show me something comparable and we can give some weight to your talk, without it, it is just talk

[Becca]

Said it before, in TCMA a lot of talk about fighting, not so much fighting. If you are so confident in what you do, enter a FULL CONTACT MATCH, not point sparring. See how you do....

I endever not to chicken out one of these times.

There's a nice grappling/submission wrestling turny in Denver on the 10th I'm trying to talk myself into. Sounds like a good place to start if I really want to know how I'd fair against "real" grapplers. I'm about as novice at submission wrestling as it gets, so if I fall flat on my face, no one would be suprized.....

[lkfmdc]

I endever not to chicken out one of these times.

There's a nice grappling/submission wrestling turny in Denver on the 10th I'm trying to talk myself into. Sounds like a good place to start if I really want to know how I'd fair against "real" grapplers. I'm about as novice at submission wrestling as it gets, so if I fall flat on my face, no one would be suprized.....

What exactly would there to be afraid of? That you might lose? My sifu was a feared and respected fighter, he also flat out told us MANY time that he had lost QUITE A FEW matches.... and was BETTER for each of them

The only thing you'd have to fear, would be "discovering" that, gasp, you are human and can lose, and that there is something more to learn

Only people with a vested interest in perpetuating a myth would fear competition