Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[Mas Judt]

The real problem with our tax system is that it is designed as a plaything for the politicians and the powerful interests that own them to manipulate the citizens without the courtesy of a vote or due process.

[Water Dragon]

I agree with that statement wholeheartedly. The current system is extremely inefficient to say the least.

[1bad65]

I find it odd that you can so simply solve a question that congress, policy makers, the president, and a myriad of intellectuals can't figure out.

You do realize that the current Speaker of the House does not know that natural gas is a fossil fuel, right?

With idiots like that, problems do not get solved. They only get worse.

[NJM]

You do realize that the current Speaker of the House does not know that natural gas is a fossil fuel, right?

At least she acknowledges the Iraq War happened! Unlike John McCain!

[1bad65]

At least she acknowledges the Iraq War happened! Unlike John McCain!

Since this is your only answer for every issue discussed, let's look at what he said.

McCain said, in relation to Russia attacking Georgia: "In the 21st Century, nations don't invade nations"

In that case a nation, Russia, attacked another nation, Georgia.

In the case of the Gulf War a UN coalition (backed by a UN resolution as well), attacked the nation of Iraq.

See the difference?

And also, McCain never said the Iraq War did not happen, so stop trying to be witty by completely changing the man's words.

[Mas Judt]

Frankly, the thing that truly frightens me is the democrats record - heck, they INVENTED 'national socialism' (Just a slightly more friendly version - they only killed political opponents and 'undesireables' (not counting the forced sterilizations (yes folks, it happened here, under the Democrats). Then there is the abdication of security assets during the cold war (yay! Jimmah). Not to mention massive tax rates that crippled the economy and created the misery index. Of course Repubs like Nixon (the coming of the neo-con - which is really just a demoncrat in a good suit) added to the problem by believing we were all Keynsians now...

Now, we did okay under Clinton, largely thanks to Newtr Gingrich coming in swinging a big axe on stupid programs ans scams our 'elected' officials were pulling.

Meanwhile - Obama is also part of a political machine that does 'national socialism' one better - it brings the mob into the government/corporate axis.

While I'm sure McCain is bought and paid for by many of the same interests, at least he is actually qualified for the job and does not demonstrate the poor judgement or do the favors for money like Obama. And he''s not tied to corrupt Illinois politics.

Biden is a typical cypher - used to bullshtting in the senate and writing bills that gut the constitution.

With guys like these about to have their own Nuremberg rally complete with an adoring throng complete in the Mile High city, is there any doubt why educated people are a bit nervous?

It's sad, with our non-constitutional 'two-party' system, we vote for who do the least damage, not who is actually good. Unless you are a democrat - then you arrogantly believe any arrogant empty suit will save you.

[Water Dragon]

This is exactly what I mean. The last few posts above are great examples of fear mongering and smack talking. The problem with American policies is everyone prefers to play that game instead of looking for solutions to problems.

So-and-so is evil. This party is retarded, The Democrats/Republicnas are the devil, if Obama/McCain get elected he will eat our children.

I think it's a shame.

[jo]

Funny how the Republicans bash the Dems over "tax and spend" when the money is used to help Americans, yet the Republicans have no problem spending BILLIONS on invasions, war and death overseas. The Repubs have taken the first balanced budget (with a surplus) and turned it into the biggest deficit of all time. Our grandchildren will be paying for BU$H's Follies.

- jo

[1bad65]

With guys like these about to have their own Nuremberg rally complete with an adoring throng complete in the Mile High city, is there any doubt why educated people are a bit nervous?

I've said this before, and it's a great point.

The other particulary scary thing about Obama is that we facing alot of the same problems we faced in the 70s. And Obama's solutions are almost to a letter EXACTLY what Carter tried.

[1bad65]

yet the Republicans have no problem spending BILLIONS on invasions, war and death overseas.

You seem to have forgotten about LBJ and the Vietnam War.

[CLFLPstudent]

You do realize that the current Speaker of the House does not know that natural gas is a fossil fuel, right?

Can she pronounce the word "nuclear" correctly?

To be honest, neither candidate does it for me. Maybe it is time to build the underground shelter, stockpile food and ammo, and wait for the revolution

-David

[Water Dragon]

To be honest, neither candidate does it for me. Maybe it is time to build the underground shelter, stockpile food and ammo, and wait for the revolution

-David

This is where I disagree with most people. I think both candidates will make a good president. I simply disapprove of the general direction the Republicans will take this country. No need to fling poo and insults and demean anyone's characters (that's in general, not toward anyone specific). What does that do besides pull away from the issues? And THAT (this thread being a great example) is why this country's in the shape it's in. People don't decide leadership based on policy. They vote based on rumors, emotion, and abstract ideas. HEll, I'd love to have a bear with George Bush, he seems like a cool guy to hang out with. That no way in hell qualifies him to be President though. And that's basically what happened these past two elections.

[MasterKiller]

HEll, I'd love to have a bear with George Bush, he seems like a cool guy to hang out with. That no way in hell qualifies him to be President though..

I thought Bush only ate human babies?

[Mas Judt]

Like I said, we vote for the least damage. The democrats would pull us into a cesspool of conflicting radical ideologies - they have to lie and obfuscate constantly to try and avoid letting people know what they really think.

Now are there repubs that do this too? Sure - but often they are going against the party platform when they do this, while the Democrats lie about what they actually believe in order to get elected, then ttry like crazy to get activist judges to pass edicts when votes don't work. I don't like tyranny and the Dems seem devoted to it.

Personally, I think Obama would be a disaster. McCain only slightly better.

WD - both Jefferson and Eisenhower were right.

[1bad65]

while the Democrats lie about what they actually believe in order to get elected,

This is so true. The last Democrat to be completely honest about his beliefs was Mondale. And he lost in the biggest landslide in a Presedential election.