Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[1bad65]

Well, they are spending 10 billion per month in Iraq and Afghanistan...

Ok. So lets say Obama cuts-and-runs in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pulls the plug on both wars. That saves us $120 billion. He has proposed $800 billion in NEW spending.

How is he going to pay for that ADDITIONAL $680 billion and still cut taxes on 95% of Americans?

[Reality_Check]

Ok. So lets say Obama cuts-and-runs in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pulls the plug on both wars. That saves us $120 billion. He has proposed $800 billion in NEW spending.

How is he going to pay for that ADDITIONAL $680 billion and still cut taxes on 95% of Americans?

And John McCain is going to continue spending that $120 billion, and cut taxes as well (some estimates have the cost of his spending cuts reaching $3.3 trillion by 2017).

He has been focusing on earmarks a lot recently. Here are some numbers for you:

Total earmarks on the 2008 budget: $15.2 billion (http://earmarks.omb.gov/2008-appropr...e/summary.html)
Total 2008 US budget: $2.9 trillion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...l_budget,_2008)
Earmarks as percentage of 2008 Budget: 0.52%

So, he's going to keep spending $120 billion, cut a maximum of $15-16 billion in earmarks. That leaves over $100 billion. Of course, he woudn't cut all of the earmarks, considering some of that $15-16 billion includes aid to Israel. He'll cut taxes by an estimated $3.3 trillion over 8 years. He has some vague promises of other spending cuts (not specified). Yet somehow, he'll magically balance the budget by 2013.

[Reality_Check]

Nope.

The housing crisis started with these ridiculous ARM mortgages being given away like candy. You had people with no verified income getting mortgages on houses they could not afford. Of course there were massive numbers of defaults on these loans. That set the whole thing in motion...

I blame the lenders for 50% of that, and the idiots who signed up for them the other 50%. It's really not that complicated.

If it's not that complicated, would you care to offer a solution to the current crisis?

[Reality_Check]

That's actually sproken like a true liberal. Don't really come up with any viable solutions yourself, but rip into anyone else who has the initiative to address the problems in an effort to fix them.

What solutions would you propose?

[BoulderDawg]

Ok. So lets say Obama cuts-and-runs in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pulls the plug on both wars. That saves us $120 billion. He has proposed $800 billion in NEW spending.

So Obama would add 800 billion dollars to the US fiscal budget for 2009......Total BS. But it sounds like a fine idea to me as long as it's spent on social proprans and health care for all Americans.

Has anyone ever thought to break down the spending in the Middle east? It's cost us 2.5 billion dollars a week? I personally would like to know what this money is going for. From what I can see all they do is partrol all day in Humvees, come back to a well guarded barracks and drink beer all night. Air partrol is more expensive but not 2.5 billion a week.

None of that money seems to be finding it's way to the people many of whom don't even have power or running water.

[1bad65]

What solutions would you propose?

Let those who screwed up suffer the consequences of their mistakes.

Yeah, I know. It's a novel idea.

[1bad65]

So Obama would add 800 billion dollars to the US fiscal budget for 2009......Total BS. But it sounds like a fine idea to me as long as it's spent on social proprans and health care for all Americans.

Look at Obama's own site! Look at what he proposes. I don't care what it's spent on, another $800 billion in spending is asinine in our current financial situation.

You like these social programs alot. Can you name ONE that's paid for itself by accomplishing it's goals?

[1bad65]

So, he's going to keep spending $120 billion, cut a maximum of $15-16 billion in earmarks. That leaves over $100 billion. Of course, he woudn't cut all of the earmarks, considering some of that $15-16 billion includes aid to Israel. He'll cut taxes by an estimated $3.3 trillion over 8 years. He has some vague promises of other spending cuts (not specified). Yet somehow, he'll magically balance the budget by 2013.

Assuming that's true, how is Obama raising spending by another $800 billion going to balance the budget?

[1bad65]

From what I can see all they do is partrol all day in Humvees, come back to a well guarded barracks and drink beer all night.

Speaking of saying things to people's faces; How about you say that to the next soldier you see.

[Reality_Check]

Let those who screwed up suffer the consequences of their mistakes.

Yeah, I know. It's a novel idea.

Would that include AIG, Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac?

[BoulderDawg]

Speaking of saying things to people's faces; How about you say that to the next soldier you see.

I'd have absolutely zero problem in doing that. As a matter of fact while I was saying that I would also tell him/her what a dam fool they were for dying and killing innocent people in Bush's war.

From your BB Posts it appears that you have your butt firmly here in the US planted in front a computer where you dis people you will never meet. If I was committed to the war effort as much as you I would be down in the recruiting office signing up for service. However I've noticed with most of you conservatives that war is just "Jim Dandy"....That is as long as you or your kids don't have to fight it!

[1bad65]

I'd have absolutely zero problem in doing that. As a matter of fact while I was saying that I would also tell him/her what a dam fool they were for dying and killing innocent people in Bush's war.

From your BB Posts it appears that you have your butt firmly here in the US planted in front a computer where you dis people you will never meet. If I was committed to the war effort as much as you I would be down in the recruiting office signing up for service. However I've noticed with most of you conservatives that war is just "Jim Dandy"....That is as long as you or your kids don't have to fight it!

Tape your encounter then. You know, for proof.

Nope, I won't sign up. Matter of fact I think I'm too old to enlist even if I wanted to. My dad is a disabled vet, after seeing how well the VA took care of his service related wounds, I knew as a kid I was never signing up. But never fear, we can all get Government care like he did. All the socialists calling for universal health care say they will model it after the VA.

If you are so committed against the war, you could always go to Iraq or Afghanistan and fight against "Bush's war" as you call it. Just do like John Walker Lindh did.

[Reality_Check]

Yet another conservative against Palin

"Will someone please put Sarah Palin out of her agony? Is it too much to ask that she come to realize that she wants, in that wonderful phrase in American politics, 'to spend more time with her family'?"

"Can we now admit the obvious? Sarah Palin is utterly unqualified to be vice president."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/161204

"Zakaria became a conservative, he says, from observing the Indian state. “People often say, ‘How could you, living in India, end up a Reaganite?’ Well, the answer is, live in India. There are two things that people don’t understand. One is the degree to which a highly regulated economy produces masses of corruption because it empowers bureaucrats. It just has to be seen to be believed..."

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/politi...atures/n_8621/

"A political conservative and foreign policy hawk, Zakaria..."

http://cityfile.com/profiles/fareed-zakaria

[Xiao3 Meng4]

Yeee-Haaawww!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today...00/7600592.stm

[MasterKiller]

Let those who screwed up suffer the consequences of their mistakes.

Yeah, I know. It's a novel idea.

Scooter Libby.