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Keep IS-Dfr locked down. All IS-Dfr posters deserved to be punished.
Delete them all. Let Yama sort them out.
i know! that struck me as funny too. all the crap aout how they "preserved" all 49.
i have found several different systems of i chin ching/yijinjing and some have been only 12 postures and one of the systems i have seen had over 100 i chin ching postures.
it is i think a very old practice but it is not i think a specific system.
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bruce
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For some reason I feel compelled to give a different perspective.
I started martial arts at 14, mid 70's, in tae kwon do, learned from a Vietnam combat vet, who was also a SD blackbelt. Progressed to brown belt, started SD. Participated or visited at least 5 different SD schools/teachers overall. During the same time, participated in judo, ninjitsu, and tien shien pai. I do not think I have a jaded perspective. Saw a wide variety of teaching and instruction methods. Was surprised at how much similarity there was from SD to the tien shien pai school, especially in internal forms both taught. And the variety was very wide. Some pitiful, all the way to amazing. Everywhere. There are those in SD, especially in what I would call the first or second generation of GMT's students, that can hold their own with anyone and who's skills equal or surpass anyone I've ever seen in martial arts, in person, TV, or internet. Others are embarrassing. What it comes down to is there can be no doubt GMT knows more about martial arts than most people, and he teaches some of it to others. Where it comes from only he really knows. But I have benefitted from it, and more so because I have studied independently and from other sources. One very popular author professes the method of not spoon feeding a student, but give them tools, and MAKE them figure it out, as the only way to truly learn anything.
Just One Student
"I seek, not to know all the answers, but to understand the questions." --- Kwai Chang Caine
(I'd really like to know all the answers, too, but understanding the questions, like most of my martial arts practice, is a more realistically attainable goal)
I learned yang 64 from GM sin back in 1985 at the sportscenter. And I can tell you he never mentioned anything about it being temple style. The history he told us was mostly about Yang lu chan. Back then it was just called yang taichi not even yang 64. And this was the only empty hand taichi form we had. There wasn't a 24, or chen. He never even mentioned he knew a chen style.
And I would agree with one student. The first generations of SD had some very talented people. And part of the reasons for that, I think, was because of a more focused curriculum. There just wasn't an abundance of forms. You focused on a few external sets, then tai chi and pakua, meditation. Not to mention lots of sparring and physical conditioning. But we americans always want more, and are willing to pay for it. GM sin saw an opportunity and ran with it. Sad.
The real question is... for all these forms... have the people teaching it mastered all the relevant jibengong, qigong, equipment and two partner skills for eaxch of these systems so that they can say they truly undertand them and can 'preserve' them?
This should be an obvious question to answer and perhaps the biggest challenge SD has in making its case. (Besides the fanciful history.)
However, things aren't as cut and dried and many 'traditional' systems - especially JMA and KMA have just as messed up stuff gong on. Oh, and some CMA too. Doesn't mean I agree with the SD line, but just taking a broader view.
How are we all doing today???
Just read the letter from sin the' to some instructors kicking them out. it's on that other bovine ma forum. Disgusting.
OK I have searched all over for this supposed letter but Bullshido has to be the worst forum to find stuff on. Anyway please post a link Thanks KC
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Jacob and Laura
This letter is to inform you, that as of August 26th, 2009 your privileges to teach the Shao-Lin Art (the Art), and any further participation within the Art in any capacity is hereby revoked.
As the current Grandmaster of Shao-Lin, I withdraw your permission to teach the Art, the forms and movements within the Art copyrighted by me.
I also withdraw your use of any likeness of me, any reference to me on your website, flyers, brochures, publications, etc.
If you continue to use the art, forms, techniques, material or trade secrets, graphics or images relating to the Shao-Lin Art, I will pursue legal action to ensure that you cease and desist.
I hope this letter is perfectly clear that you are to discontinue all use of the Art of Shao-Lin and my name and images. Also cease all contact with me and any of my certified, affiliated schools and instructors.
This will be the last form of contact you will receive from me personally.
Sincerely,
[signature]
Grandmaster Sin Kwang The'
Things might not always be what they appear to be. Get all the information that you can before making any decisions.
To be honest I would really like to hear the Soards and The's side of this story. However they are chosing not to talk.