dude, just bear in mind that I am describing them in one light - there's a whole other bunch of not so awesome that I could relate as well...(as could they!)
no need to apologize, I am not offended
hey, as you like - personally, I find it more interesting to consider things others say that I don't sit well with...FYI, I disagree w/my sifu on a lot of stuff as well - certain viewpoints of his I object to significantly; and I've told him this as well (privately, of course - I wouldn't jack him in a public setting, of course)
exactly - diminishment is relative - clinical application has many more requirements than recreational, that's a fact; it doesn't mean recreational doesn't have intrinsic value, just of a different nature