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    hung gar has some guan gung inspired moves (same guy but he's just generally called guan gung more than guan yu so it might be more helpful if in your search u asked for guan gung)

    but yeah the guan dao is actually called aq guan dao because it was the knife (dao) of general guan so pretty much all guan dao forms have a link to him


    especcially in hung gar where such moves as stroking your long beard (as he would have done) are included


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    I don't know how accurate it is or not, but wikipedia's article on the Kwan Dao says the following:

    However, historically speaking it is likely that Guan Yu most likely would not have used a dagger-axe (ji) . While the famous novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms by Luo Guanzhong describes him as wielding the guan dao, this description might be an anachronistic one, as there is no illustration to show that it was ever used prior to the 7th cent. Tang dynasty or the Song dynasty when it was first illustrated in the military manual Wujing Zongyao. The guan dao, therefore, was likely neither invented nor ever used by Guan Yu, meaning that it is somewhat of a pop culture-derived misnomer. However, some historians believe that the guan dao was simply an uncommon, rare weapon prior to the Song dynasty and was thus not illustrated before then.
    IF that is true, than he didn't leave any martial lineage involving the weapon at all.

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    but yeah the guan dao is actually called aq guan dao because it was the knife (dao) of general guan so pretty much all guan dao forms have a link to him.
    It's actually called a Yan Yue Dao (偃月刀), which can be translated as "reclining moon knife". (I make no claim of being a linguist.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostexorcist View Post
    I don't know how accurate it is or not, but wikipedia's article on the Kwan Dao says the following:



    IF that is true, than he didn't leave any martial lineage involving the weapon at all.



    It's actually called a Yan Yue Dao (偃月刀), which can be translated as "reclining moon knife". (I make no claim of being a linguist.)
    exaclty, but we still associate it with him.

    in reality, he would have used a halberb, spear, bow, or sword of some sort.

    zhang fei was famous for his spear work. they say snake head spear but who know's if that is true. this is the problem with history during that time. they never wrote down anything. if they did the next dynasty probably got rid of it all.
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    thanks for the info guys. As for Guan Yu, does anyone know of his date of birth and death? And other than Hung Gar, what other styles use the kwan dao?
    dumb question<< are there any shaolin forms that use it? ( purely because my imagination always brings to mind a shaolin monk when thinking of a martial artist)

    and as for the no historic illustrations of the kwan dao, are there no paintings or statues of Guan Yu wielding a kwan dao from that time?
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    And other than Hung Gar, what other styles use the kwan dao?
    Just about every one does. Even Chen Tai chi has a Kwan dao form. Wing Chun does not, but thats the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

    are there any shaolin forms that use it?
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    the only illustrations of guan yu are from later dynasties. they all show him as a massive 9 foot tall man with the huge 80 cattie gwan dao. who knows if he even had a beard?

    his estimated birth and death are 160–219 a.d.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_D...Crescent_Blade
    there is a link about his blade.
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    check out this back issue

    See my article The General's Blade: Kungfu's Mightiest Weapon, The Kwan Dao in our 2001 March/April issue.
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    I bought one of those babies off you guys.

    The one I learned with was much lighter.

    But wielding my Kwan do now takes a lot of strength, balance and poise + you have to look pretty doing it or it's no good. Just blows the whole thing. Luckily, I am still pretty.
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