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Thats bullshi+ !!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn7
I'm no fan of the RIAA and the record companies, but I believe they offered to settle with her for a much smaller amount but she refused.
Break the law. Deal with the consequences.
Just because crime is easy doesn't mean it isn't criminal.
what needs to be done is for file sharing software to be banned. thats how people are downloading it. remove the source remove the option.
There is no feasible way to remove P2P. Short of taking everyone off the internet, anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
thats true i guess. at least we can take out the big ones as they pop up with free software for the p2p. i mean you can go to google right now and find several p2p free software downloads. go after the makers of those programs for providing avenues for digital theft. force those programmers to include pay only options. That can be done. If you want limewire/etc. you pay a monthly fee, no free options, a portion of that income is provided to the music and motion picture companies.
there should be abolutely no free p2p software on the market. any found should be dealt with harshly
That's like banning beer because some people drink too much and then drive. By now, everyone knows that sharing copyrighted songs is illegal. If you do it, and get caught, you pay the price. That's how life works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
I know you're right but playing the devils advocate:
we dont have drive up windows for buying liquor. what is the reason for needing file sharing. there is abo****ely no reason for anyone to NEED filesharing. make file sharing itself illegal. nothing wrong with that. start suing not only the people downloading the songs and movies but he companies that say 'here is how you can easily commit this crime, I will give you every tool you need to do it soley by using my software'
:p
if you catch a kid drinking under age, they are busted. likewise if a liquor store, knowingly or unknowingly, provided that liquor to the minor, they also are busted.
why shouldnt the people providing the songs be held to some level of accountability, just like a store selling to a minor would be.
people are criminals thats all there is to it, if you only go after the person cimmiting the small crime and ignore the avenues that make the crime possible, you will always have a higher amount of that particular crime being commited at any given time.
personally, i dont do it, and i dont care, i just like arguing with you. passes the time
:D
The RIAA is a corrupt and graft filled organization that should not be given access to the courts for these lawsuits.
Not only does this organization do it's best to screw musicians and artists in general, but now they want to move around and start screwing the people who listen as well.
they are being protectionist and by doing this they are trying to put the kibosh on musicians self distributing their work.
Ban the RIAA and make it a criminal organization and make them compensate everyone they have screwed.
Radio shares tunes with me all day long, I lend CD's to friends all the time, I shoot MP3's out all the time to friends, I watch vids on youtube.
screw the RIAA and their fascist BS.
DIE MF's DIE!!! :D
thanks, that is all.
loook we have evidence dj is a criminal!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by david jamieson
you're on the list now!! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
rat me out eh?
we'll see about that, ninja or not!!!
music should be free... you wanna make money as a musician, go on tour...
mp3's, cd's, whatever should be like an advert... for millenia musicians had to actually perform to make money... the overnight recording millionaire is a new thing and anyone with half a brain knew it wouldnt last... they are going to scramble and get every penny they can before the bubble bursts for real... and they know this, its why they are being so aggressive...
you cant stop file sharing... if i make a file, draw a picture, take a photo, create a short film, record a song, whatever, i have every right to share it with whoever i want...
p2p is done, its here, it cannot be removed, PERIOD... the media industry will never catch up to those willing to subvert their claims to ownership...
ok now the fine.... fair? break the law pay the price??? come on... she is ordered to pay 1.5 million for 24 songs wich would retail for about 24 dollars... thats $62,500 PER SONG... ok but it is true, she could have settled for just paying $1.9mill in her second trial or the new fine of $54,000 which works out to about $2,250 per song... much better, yes, but still unrealistic and disproportionate to the crime... they cant charge her for theoretical shares that may have taken place after she got the song... not cool... thats like charging me for theoretical murder for the crime i may commit(or may have already committed) when i bought an assault rifle... charge me for illegal possession and nothing more..
the judge lowered the fine to somewhat affordable in the hopes of making this go away... im glad she challenged it... i hope she fights till the fine is either gone, or under 1000 bucks... a 1000 fine for stealing 24 dollars is even pretty high, but understandable... 2 mill fine for stealing 24 dollars??? the only ones who like that number are the ones who will get the money...
i could go on for days about the theivery of the big 5 and all the wannabe pigmy organizations kicking at their knees... and the RIAA, these people have been stealing since day one, now they want to point fingers??? they already killed CD technology.... why would anyone pay more for a blank CD than a blank DVD with significantly more capacity??? i shake my head at the reasoning these people seem to come up with...
i vote we start killing musicians.
why I oughta....:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by David Jamieson
Nice to see you feel the fruits of others labors should be free. What if others decided you should provide your skills/labor for free?Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn7
well considering i am a musician and i have actually sold music... on CD and otherwise.... i think my opinion means just that much more than anyone else who isnt involved with the industry...Quote:
Originally Posted by BJJ-Blue
im not talking out of my ass here, and alot of musicians agree... its the pop sensations and sellouts that mostly disagree... the ones who make a significantly disproportionate amout of money compared to the effort they put in and the actual quality of their product...
You do know musicians both big and small disagree on this, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn7
Me, I hate garbage, prepackaged music. I love real music. Honest, I like the musicians that do put their stuff out for free to their fans and make their money touring. But that should be each musician/band's choice. It should not be mandated.
I do love music, but sadly the cream does not always rise to the top. It's sad when most American have no idea who Paul Westerberg is, but everyone has heard of Vanilla Ice.
i didnt say it should be mandated.... im saying thats the staple in music, not cd sales... and when the bubble bursts, it will again be the primary source of funds... outside of advertisement and the like, ofcourse, lots of money in selling soda and baseball hats!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BJJ-Blue
i personally believe that people who actually make a living playing music can kiss my ass and stfu. hey pro musicians; you make a living playing music, quit bitching you sissy ass troglodytes.
ps- The Replacements suck donkey nadds, bruh.... ;)
so should a musician make more money than a fireman??? who works harder???Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
No way!!! Blasphemy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn7
The market should dictate that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn7
so is that the moral choice? or the fair choice?Quote:
Originally Posted by BJJ-Blue
one gives their life for others, the other plays music... which is more valuable to society TODAY? what about the future?
i think a musician should make as much money as people are willing to go to pay to watch/hear them and buy their songs. i dont think there should or could be a standard for how much a muscian will make because its all based on the ficle nature of popularity and advertisement.
firemen are heros.
who works harder is a matter of perspective. the nature of the work is completely different. a fireman risks his life. a musician creates art.
what tastes better beer or cheese cake?
yeah but they NEVER do... NEVER... unless they own their own masters and produce and distribute all on their own, the artist makes the least of anyone else involved in that consumer chain... aside from the consumer themselves ofcourse...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
if you think pop stars get alot, you have no idea what they gross and how much is really made and who pockets most of that money... there is nothing fair or just about it... its an industry that is reliant on the ignorance of the average consumer... and the willingness of artists to compromise their integrity to make money... something they had no chance of doing if they "kept it real"...
So we "get em back" by stealing? That's like saying I don't think the pricing on that diamond ring is fair, so as payback, I'm going to steal it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn7
Society decides who is more valuable in many ways, including financially. Capitalism always works itself out. If society didn't pay firemen enough so that not enough people got into that career field to fill all the needed slots, salaries would increase until the problem solved itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn7
Remember when you bring things like morals and fairness into the equation the decision must be made whose morals we follow and whose definition of fairness we follow. So in effect there will always be those who say its unfair and immoral no matter what we do.
Or, businesses would encourage undocumented workers to come across the border to fill those slots for less pay with no benefits.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BJJ-Blue
Ok, let's just say you're 100% correct here. Why then are you not voting for people like Jan Brewer who have taken a strong stance against illegal immigration?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterKiller
Brewer not withstanding, I have no problem with people from anywhere coming here legally. But, I also have a problem with businesses that encourage side-skirting the process, like McDonald's, who has for years tried to lobby to pass "temporary" status to workers so they could ship them back across the border before they had to be paid benefits.Quote:
Originally Posted by BJJ-Blue
When 'keepin it real' goes wrong. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn7
So who is McDonalds lobbying? Which political Party is trying to get amnesty and pass the DREAM act? Which Party is suing a State for trying to fight illegal immigration?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterKiller
Also, I believe Arizona's controversial law does fine emplyers who hire illegals.
i never once said i thought it was ok for people to steal intellectual property... simply stating what i know to be true and where i think the industry should go...Quote:
Originally Posted by Drake
if somebody rips a cd they paid for and doles it out for free, they are stealing, its a crime, no question... but you cannot penalize one person to recoup the costs for the actions of many...
and here is something else i know... everyone here reading this has been guilty of stealing at one, more likely lots, time in their lives... esspecially since everyone here has downloaded or watched or listened to jacked material... jacked software... ALL OF YOU ARE GUILTY... and i am too... but it is stealing and we are criminals by the very definition...
right... so what is right here... should a hero lose their house because they sent their kid to one of the best schools when some financial anylist told them it was ok(when they knew the crash was comming but needed to keep funds comming in to remain solvent, fukcers) but then money troubles come, they lose their house, while some retard useless popstar bought four homes and probably will never even sleep at some of them??? is that right? life is so unfair, but we have a way of keeping it unfair...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas