Well, when Wing Chun becomes known for "power punching" vs the "Crazy Eggbeaters" then perhaps it will not be considered rare....
There are precious few folks seen on the net properly using body linking connection into each strike..essentially powering each strike from the legs/body all synced...
Running at someone and chain punching isn't really it...
This is another one of those "everyone knows that" yet we hardly ever see it, thingies..
Jim Hawkins
M Y V T K F
"You should have kicked him in the ball_..."—Sifu
In training "EVERYONE" has that, in fighting it tends to disappear.
Why?
Training is training and fighting is fighting, one is the path and they other the goal.
Fact is, all the rooting and transfer done in a static environment goes out the window when someone decides to put their fist through your face.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
"I don't know if anyone is known with the art of "sitting on your couch" here, but in my eyes it is also to be a martial art.
It is the art of avoiding dangerous situations. It helps you to avoid a dangerous situation by not actually being there. So lets say there is a dangerous situation going on somewhere other than your couch. You are safely seated on your couch so you have in a nutshell "difused" the situation."
Always! Just that you know as well as I do...we all will take the occasional shot (or two or more).
And thanks Robert, I had heard a long time ago that taking an aspirin after a fight can lead to a higher chance of bleeding in the brain.
I use acetametaphin normally (when necessary).
Last edited by SAAMAG; 05-11-2010 at 02:32 PM.
"I don't know if anyone is known with the art of "sitting on your couch" here, but in my eyes it is also to be a martial art.
It is the art of avoiding dangerous situations. It helps you to avoid a dangerous situation by not actually being there. So lets say there is a dangerous situation going on somewhere other than your couch. You are safely seated on your couch so you have in a nutshell "difused" the situation."
Punching with your body is just a part of it; there are various ways of using your body, and how WCK uses it isn't how another art uses it.
Using imaginary things, like triangles that don't really exist, is a silly way to teach. Simply show someone how to do it and then let them practice doing it. That's how people learn new skills.101 would teach how to set up the triangles for the arm position, 201 would teach how to connect it to the rest of the body. This is something pretty much taught at the beginner level where I train..
I visited your tag-page. I like how you begin with "this is not a reply directed toward T, so he doesn't need to apply" but only go on to cite -- out of context -- various statements I made about chi sao.__________________
What chi sau is, or isn't, or is, or wait, what is it..: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...2&postcount=90
Since you don't seem to understand what I was saying, let me put it all together for you:
Chi sao is WCK's signature exercise/drill.
It is unrealistic, in that you don't perform the exercise/drill under (realistic) fighting conditions. So, regardless of what you think it does, it can't develop realistic fighting skills. You can use it to learn and practice various WCK actions. But it won't develop fighting skills. Only fighting develops fighting skills.
Almost all these actions involve staying attached to your opponent (staying in contact, or sticking). Sticking and the actions (tan, bong, fook, etc.) associated with it are not striking actions but grappling actions, actions that use sustained contact to manipulate your opponent.
Chi sao is not some "form of grappling" or some "form of stand up grappling" -- it is grappling (you are grappling), or, to be more precise, grappling with striking thrown in. An exercise or drill, however, is not and can't be "a form of grappling." Similarly, pummeling is a drill/exercise from greco, it too is not a form of grappling or a form of stand up grappling, although it is grappling.
WCK's fighting method is to control while striking an opponent. We practice doing this in an unrealistic environment in chi sao. So while we can learn and practice doing that in chi sao, we can't develop those actions/things into fighting skills except through fighting (being able to do them in chi sao doesn't mean you can do them in fighting).
Now, go back and read my statements in light of this context and you'll see what I said was consistent with this context.
Wow, mind blowing.
Glad to get the inside scoup on all things silly from the WC expert such as yourself.
Are just the ideas of imaginary things, such as trianlges, the only thing silly, or are the others? Would talking about and writing articles about imaginary things, such as the 5 phases of combat, be silly too? Your sifu, and apparently recently-titled "GM", doesn't seem to think these imaginary ideas were so silly when he copied the ideas and pawned them off as his own in an article.
Hey wait, wasn't it you that thought the self-appointed titles of "GM" were silly too...
Yeah, you tried this cover up in that thread too. But I only quoted your words as they were. Reread the whole thread, and you'll see what an idiot you sound like right now.
Fact is, you don't really know what chi sau is all about anyway, so you'll never get it.
Last edited by JPinAZ; 05-11-2010 at 07:36 PM.
What chi sau is, or isn't, or is, or wait, what is it..: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...2&postcount=90
"Are just the ideas of imaginary things, such as triangles, the only thing silly, or are there others? Would talking about and writing articles about imaginary things, such as the 5 phases of combat, be silly too? Your sifu, and apparently recently-titled 'GM', doesn't seem to think these imaginary ideas were so silly when he copied the ideas and pawned them off as his own in an article.
Hey wait, wasn't it you that thought the self-appointed titles of 'GM' were silly too..." (JP)
***Humm...Very interesting, JP.
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"Yeah, you tried this cover up in that thread too. But I only quoted your words as they were. Reread the whole thread, and you'll see what an idiot you sound like right now.
Fact is, you don't really know what chi sau is all about anyway, so you'll never get it." (JP)
***SAME OL' bull5hit with this guy.
Last edited by Ultimatewingchun; 05-11-2010 at 08:12 PM.
Man how long have you been studying WC for, because i am calling you out as a phony if you say you have studied for more than 1 month of WC.
Chi Sao is not grappling nor is it fighting simulation. Who ever agrees with this needs to go back and listen to there sifu better or get a new one.
Chi Sao develops contact relexes, eye coordination, footwork and most importantly chi. Which school teaches that Chi sao is grappling??? If your holding onto the arm, then your not doing Chi sao exercises properly.
Chi Sao = when i feel him do this, i will do this (sometimes when i see this, must do this), whether it be full step back, bil sao, jut sao, lop sao and pull down if he goes to kick, etc. Chi is supposed to be developed by the forward force you and your partner generate when going through the basic motion of two arm chi sao.
Chi sao described as grappling??? If you are referring to lop sao on someones arm and punching them in the head and not letting go, well thats what newbies do, because they think its fighting. Once you have put overwhelming pressure on your opponent, you should stop and start the two arm drill again.
No, just basic. And something you didn't mention.
You don't need to be an expert on anything to know that referencing invisible triangles that don't exist is silly.Glad to get the inside scoup on all things silly from the WC expert such as yourself.
Why does anyone need to refer to imaginary lines, triangles, etc. in the first place?Are just the ideas of imaginary things, such as trianlges, the only thing silly, or are the others?
Bringing up this old fish story again? Let's see -- you weren't there, don't know what you're talking about, etc. So this is how you rebut my POV? Brilliant.Would talking about and writing articles about imaginary things, such as the 5 phases of combat, be silly too? Your sifu, and apparently recently-titled "GM", doesn't seem to think these imaginary ideas were so silly when he copied the ideas and pawned them off as his own in an article.
Hey wait, wasn't it you that thought the self-appointed titles of "GM" were silly too...
And, yes, self-appointed titles are silly.
I just explained the context (which you left out in your attempt to ridicule) so why don't you point out how anything I wrote is inconsistent with this view? Oh, you can't. I see.Yeah, you tried this cover up in that thread too. But I only quoted your words as they were. Reread the whole thread, and you'll see what an idiot you sound like right now.
Fact is, you don't really know what chi sau is all about anyway, so you'll never get it.
I'm sorry that you either aren't bright enough, don't have sufficient reading comprehension abilities, and/or just didn't bother to read what I wrote about chi sao to understand what I am saying. But I'm not surprised.
OK, here we go --
Where did I say it was a fighting simulation? I'm calling you out as someone who can't read.Chi Sao is not grappling nor is it fighting simulation. Who ever agrees with this needs to go back and listen to there sifu better or get a new one.
Ah, yes, the same old nonsense, contact reflexes, eye coordination, footwork -- and chi! LOL! You think you are developing an imaginary power! Good luck with that.Chi Sao develops contact relexes, eye coordination, footwork and most importantly chi. Which school teaches that Chi sao is grappling??? If your holding onto the arm, then your not doing Chi sao exercises properly.
BTW, grappling doesn't just involve grasping -- although "lop", grabbing, is the extension of the open hand, or haven't you learned that yet? -- it can involve pushing, pressing, pulling, etc., anything that uses sustained contact to manipulate an opponent.
Go find yourself a good WCK instructor; whoever is teaching you is misleading you.Chi Sao = when i feel him do this, i will do this (sometimes when i see this, must do this), whether it be full step back, bil sao, jut sao, lop sao and pull down if he goes to kick, etc. Chi is supposed to be developed by the forward force you and your partner generate when going through the basic motion of two arm chi sao.
Chi sao described as grappling??? If you are referring to lop sao on someones arm and punching them in the head and not letting go, well thats what newbies do, because they think its fighting. Once you have put overwhelming pressure on your opponent, you should stop and start the two arm drill again.