An Epic of Internet-challenge Stupidity

[godzillakungfu]

How is an office max number not accessible? I've used them many a time with no problems.

I see so what's going on now is Anthony must jump through as many hoops as possible.

So, when is the promoter/owner going to be at the gym so Anthony can call?

[1bad65]

If you sent it, post the confirmation page. We all know you are lying AGAIN. You can fax it to me also: 512-892-3113 put ATTN: MIKE RENZO on it.

You are due in Miami tomorrow, unless you changed the dates. ;) Should be easy for you to ensure Anthony gets the copy once you are in the same city Duck.



To harp on the location is retarded.


Where the hell is the fight supposed to be? :eek: And why won't you discuss a back-up venue? Again, do you GUARANTEE the Action Fitness venue will be open and available for the fight on Oct 1st?

[SifuAbel]

A$$hat. Learn how to read. There is no fax waiting for me. Call the place yourself to check.

Like I believe Rudy Abel the liar. Go to the school. Its closed. Pick up the fax. Not there.

I'm growing my nails out just for you Rudy.


Oh reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally..................

This after the man himself called me to tell me that its there. Its called plausible deniability.

[1bad65]

So, when is the promoter/owner going to be at the gym so Anthony can call?


As I said before, he SHOULD be in Miami as the show he 'promoted' was last night. :rolleyes:

[unkokusai]

:

What, is it getting too real for you, butterball?







No one is buying it, duck.

[1bad65]

Oh reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally..................

This after the man himself called me to tell me that its there. Its called plausible deniability.


So you finally got ahold of him? :rolleyes: Send it to me Duck: 512-892-3113 ATTN: MIKE RENZO

You really are gonna blame 'Justin' aren't you? Coward.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

I wonder if Anthony told office max he was expecting a fax? They might not have it anymore.

[lkfmdc]

I wonder if Anthony told office max he was expecting a fax? They might not have it anymore.

"hi, I MIGHT get a fax, at some point, I can't really tell you when, it might be from person A, or it might be from a person who I don't even know their actual name, but anyway, if in the next 3 weeks you get a fax, of unknown number of pages, maybe made out to me, sent by someone, please hold onto it for me"

:rolleyes:

If you agree to fax something, usually you tell the person BEFORE that you are sending it. Certainly, AFTER you send it you call to confirm that it was sent.

And if you sent it, you should have the original and the receit/confirmation page

Up until now, this was all internet nonsense, but now it's starting to stink

[godzillakungfu]

Oh reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally..................

This after the man himself called me to tell me that its there. Its called plausible deniability.Something you have been doing the entire thread.

Now, it is Justin's fault.

[godzillakungfu]

I wonder if Anthony told office max he was expecting a fax? They might not have it anymore.
Please. Someone (Justin) needs to post the confirmation page.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

No, he's saying Justin faxed the waver.This means it's either Anthony's fault, or office max...which ultimately it would be Anthony's fault for the reasons explained by Ross.

Anthony, post the number for the office max. Maybe they have it, and don't know it because they don't know what a waiver is. if they just looked for a cover sheet with your name, and one was never sent, they just got a random fax and they don't know who, or what it is for.

Maybe if i call and explain things in more detail, they will find it.

[MasterKiller]

Honestly, I hope Rudy breaks ATT's f@cking neck just so these guys will shut up. Typical Bullshido pack mentality....

[godzillakungfu]

No, he's saying Justin faxed the waver.This means it's either Anthony's fault, or office max...which ultimately it would be Anthony's fault for the reasons explained by Ross.

Anthony, post the number for the office max. Maybe they have it, and don't know it because they don't know what a waiver is. if they just looked for a cover sheet with your name, and one was never sent, they just got a random fax and they don't know who, or what it is for.

Maybe if i call and explain things in more detail, they will find it.

Here we go:rolleyes:

[Badger]

hey 1bad65- Scut Farkus called...he wants his toadie back!

[lkfmdc]

which ultimately it would be Anthony's fault for the reasons explained by Ross.



reading comprehension classes not working for you? :rolleyes:

my post was a clear example of why, if anything, it would be either Rudi or "Justin" fault.... does seem the delay in faxing a single piece of paper is absurd...

by now, I think we all know this "fight" will never happen, which means this thread will double in size after Oct 1st

[lkfmdc]

Honestly, I hope Rudy breaks ATT's f@cking neck just so these guys will shut up. Typical Bullshido pack mentality....

someone should fight someone so this thread can just end, but I think we all by now see the writing on the wall

[jo]

Honestly, I hope Rudy breaks ATT's f@cking neck just so these guys will shut up. Typical Bullshido pack mentality....

As opposed to the pack who follow Jack Springer? :rolleyes:

- jo

[godzillakungfu]

someone should fight someone so this thread can just end, but I think we all by now see the writing on the wall

Anthony's fault by way of proxy.

[1bad65]

There is NO WAY OfficeMax screwed it up. They GET PAID for this service!


POST THE CONFIRMATION PAGE DUCK!


Send it to me: 512-892-3113 put ATTN: MIKE RENZO on it.


As I said, 'Justin' and the waiver do not exist. There is not a shred of proof to the contrary.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Fine, I'll fight her and get my ass kick and love every moment of it !!

[1bad65]

hey 1bad65- Scut Farkus called...he wants his toadie back!


I'd rather follow him around than Rudy 'The Duck' Abel.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Or her, she can beat me anytime:

[sanjuro_ronin]

And since I am all for equal opportunity, she can beat me up too !

[Badger]

Hot as all those girls are..there is only one Annatrocity...

[sanjuro_ronin]

Hot as all those girls are..there is only one Annatrocity...

You sir, are a sick man !
I challenge you to a duel
* takes off white glove and smacks badger-boy*
We meet on the field of honour sir !

[Badger]

You want to fight for her honor eh?

[sanjuro_ronin]

You want to fight for her honor eh?

That's right badger-humber, keep pushing !
You will feel my wraith !!

But before that:

[Badger]

You know we are going to need a waiver right? You live near an Office Maxx????

[1bad65]

When do I expect my fax Duck?

And what number is sending it? If you dont want to post it, PM me. If you don't want to PM me, I'd bet you could PM Boshea and he will forward it to me.

Quit playing games. You're trying to duck and save face. Notice I am not the only one asking for a confirmation page and doubting this 'Justin' is a real person. Man up Duck.

[Badger]

OOOO Girl Scout Cookies!!! That peanut butter sticks to the roof of my mouth
I like my girl scouts -east-west-north and south

[godzillakungfu]

To harp on the location is retarded. To give a fax number thats not in any way easily accessible to you is cowardly.


You know what would go a long way to help your case?

Post your email confirmation showing your arrival and departure from Florida. That would end this thread rather quickly. If it shows you are arriving on a certain date and leaving on Oct. 2nd, or later that would lend to the fight occurring.

[Badger]

Whats a Fax Duck??

[Badger]

Why does 1bad65 get a faxduck? no fair!!

[sanjuro_ronin]

You know we are going to need a waiver right? You live near an Office Maxx????

Oh, I don't need a waiver, I am old school.
I find out where you live, set your house on fire and as you coming running out, I hit you in the face with a shovel.

Speaking of shovels:

[Badger]

mmm what were we talking bout again... oh i still think its breast to have a waiver..

[Badger]

Shovels are really nice.. really they are..smack away!

[lkfmdc]

Badger? BADGER!

we don't need no stinkin BADGER!

:D

(because, it HAD to be done at some point)

[Badger]

Hey! Atleast somebody get me a Faxduck!!!!

[boshea]

F*uck Vida Guerra once, hurrah.
F*uck Vida Guerra twice, need a nap...

Come on, I photoshop a waiver on a naked chick and no one even bothers to notice????

Sorry, was there a waiver in that picture? I didn't notice...

[Badger]

I wonder if the paper comes out of the Faxducks mouth? Anybody know?

[Badger]

anyone else expecting a faxduck?

[Badger]

How bout a faxbunny???

[lkfmdc]

Hey! Atleast somebody get me a Faxduck!!!!

first, get yourself an actual avatar dude!

[Badger]

I borrowing the Riddlers at the moment!

[Badger]

riddle me thid riddle me that
Does anyone know where my faxduck is at?

[Anthony_ATT]

Oh f*ck you c0cksucker. You had diddly 2 weeks ago when I was on your ass to get this done. 1Bad has been hounding you on this board to get it done.

I wanted this fight, ring or no ring. I gave you as much rope to hang yourself, which you did splendidly.

Fax number 954-341-5064

I'll check it by 8pm tonight. Make sure it's there Coward, I'm tired of your excuses.

Office Max
910 N. University Drive
Coral Springs, FL 33071
Phone: 954-341-8518
Fax: 954-341-5064

I've called 3 times today, NO FAX.

Someone else call in and bother Chris, the guy working that area about this fax.

Because RUDY IS LYING AGAIN.

How about your Royal Dragon? Then post your findings.

[Badger]

Stop Whining!!!

[Badger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAGZiE45FOc

[lkfmdc]

Stop Whining!!!

but I really, really, really want my hot ninjette covered in nacho sauce! :mad:

[Anthony_ATT]

Stop Whining!!!

I'd like to take credit for calling Rudy out on the fax.

A 3rd party (office max) that is netural in this clusterpuck by Rudy holds more water than me saying, "I never got the fax", due to Rudy never sending it.

[Badger]

sorry cash only!!!

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

There is no fax. I just spent about 10 minutes on the phone with the office max. They did say that if it came without a cover sheet, it may have been thrown out because no one knew what it was for.

At this time, they do not have a waiver, hold harmless agreement or any documents of that nature.

[Badger]

do they have this duckfax that is all the rage now?

[Badger]

Tear the Roof off the Sucka!!!!

[Anthony_ATT]

There is no fax. I just spent about 10 minutes on the phone with the office max. They did say that if it came without a cover sheet, it may have been thrown out because no one knew what it was for.

At this time, they do not have a waiver, hold harmless agreement or any documents of that nature.

You would think a "Big Time Promoter" would know how to use a cover sheet for a fax.

THank you RD!

[Badger]

Git that sheet off my fax!!!!!!

[Anthony_ATT]

Git that sheet off my fax!!!!!!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Badger]

This sheet stinks!

[Badger]

Is this like the sheet JF Springer wears or the sheet i just stepped in??

[Anthony_ATT]

Sheet, I just love out playing Rudy.

Rudy tries to duck, I give him no way too.

[Badger]

aww who really gives a sheet!!!

[1bad65]

RD, thanks for calling the OfficeMax Anthony gave the information about. Thanks also for posting what happened.

[1bad65]

I have yet to receive my fax either.....

[unkokusai]

Oh, I don't need a waiver, I am old school.
I find out where you live, set your house on fire and as you coming running out, I hit you in the face with a shovel.

Speaking of shovels:



Are you a Mason?

[Badger]

So his real name is Office Max Anthony...cute

[unkokusai]

So his real name is Office Max Anthony...cute

Wasn't there a Roman Emperor by that name? Famous for his time management skills and the invention of Casual Friday?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Are you a Mason?

No, but I play one on TV.

Which reminds me:

[1bad65]

Badger, do you have anything constructive to add or are you just being an idiot?


Duck, have you sent my fax yet?


This is like the 3rd time in a week The Duck gets on here and says he has done stuff. Then when there is no evidence he did it and he is asked questions, he just disappears.

You were also asked to prove you indeed are going to Florida. Did you actually lie about that too?

[Badger]

Well theres Al Sharpton calling the pot black...

[godzillakungfu]

You know what would go a long way to help your case?

Post your email confirmation showing your arrival and departure from Florida. That would end this thread rather quickly. If it shows you are arriving on a certain date and leaving on Oct. 2nd, or later that would lend to the fight occurring.

Could you please answer this question?

Better yet show proof?

[Ryu.]

Office Max Anthony is the guy from Van Halen i believe.

[Ryu.]

This whole thread reminds me of this short Martial Arts/Sci-Fi novel im working on.
Anyone interested in hearing an excerpt?:)

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

OMG!!!!! It's RYU. !!!!!!

WOW!!! is this thread ever bringing the old timers out of the wood works!!!

How is your nemesis Ryu doing?

It's like Old school KFO circa 1998 all over again!!! :D

[Ryu.]

Im the Real Ryu. Ryu is the fake Ryu.

[Ryu.]

Are you the Bizarro Royal Dragon? Sumthings not quiet riot.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

I got banned on the main forum only, and had to created an alternate profile to post here. I post under my main profile everywhere else.

Gene says it's a glitch, and claims he's tried to fix it, but can't. :(

[Ryu.]

How are you?

Wheres Budokon, Ewallace,ShaolinTiger, Merryprankster, Ralek/Rolls/&sometimesY, etc ?

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

How are you?

Reply]
I am dong really good! Making home made wine, and running my little business. I even learned to use a spell checker (Upgraded to Fire Fox!!)

How are you?

Wheres Budokon, Ewallace,ShaolinTiger, Merryprankster, Ralek/Rolls/&sometimesY, etc ?

Reply]
Merryprankster is still around. He's on my Crude Oil thread. The rest are all gone, especially Ralek.
What have you been up to? It's been like years. Did you get captured into matrimony?

[1bad65]

How are you?

Wheres Budokon, Ewallace,ShaolinTiger, Merryprankster, Ralek/Rolls/&sometimesY, etc ?


Funny you should mention him. :D

[1bad65]

You know what would go a long way to help your case?

Post your email confirmation showing your arrival and departure from Florida. That would end this thread rather quickly. If it shows you are arriving on a certain date and leaving on Oct. 2nd, or later that would lend to the fight occurring.


Could you please answer this question?

Better yet show proof?


I think it's VERY obvious why he won't.

He will come on here soon enough, talk smack, and say he finalized the venue or sent the fax. Then when asked for proof he will disappear again. What a lying coward.

We all know he will be nowhere to be found when Oct 1st rolls around.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

I still think he will be there, and fight. If I were Anthony, I would go there at the appointed time, video camera in hand.

[1bad65]

I still think he will be there, and fight. If I were Anthony, I would go there at the appointed time, video camera in hand.


Oh, Anthony will be there. Not a doubt in my mind. If The Duck shows, he will pull a 'JFS duck' or something similar. No way does he fight Anthony. No way.

Straight up, you seem to be slanted toward The Duck. But you called the OfficeMax and confirmed Anthony's story(and again, props to you for doing that). Why do you think The Duck is telling lies if he really intends to fight? :rolleyes:

[KC Elbows]

We're arguing it, because like a jilted lover, KC Elbows feels the need to be right in his departure from the relationship.

That's what really the whole split is about. Those bad people at Bullshido laughed at me, I'll show them!!!

Hey, since I've got you here, maybe you could answer a question for me. Now, I know you probably get asked this a lot, working in p0rn and all, so forgive me if I've forced you to repeat yourself, but, well...








































...are your tits real?

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Oh, Anthony will be there. Not a doubt in my mind. If The Duck shows, he will pull a 'JFS duck' or something similar. No way does he fight Anthony. No way.

Straight up, you seem to be slanted toward The Duck. But you called the OfficeMax and confirmed Anthony's story(and again, props to you for doing that). Why do you think The Duck is telling lies if he really intends to fight?

Reply]
I don't think he is lying. After talking to officmax, I think what happened is the waiver was faxed to Office Max with no cover sheet. The guy I talked to there told me in an instance like that where no one would have known what it was, it would have been thrown away. This is especially so if Anthony did not tell them he was expecting a fax that particular day.

I am actually blaming Anthony for this one, because he never said it was an Offic Max number. It is part justin's fault for being lazy and not using a cover sheet, BUT he was expecting this to go directly to Anthony and probably didn't see the need for one.

[unkokusai]

If Rudyduck ever has a bridge to sell, you'll make a fine customer, no doubt!

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Only if he is in cahoots with the officemax guy....

[1bad65]

I am actually blaming Anthony for this one, because he never said it was an Offic Max number. It is part justin's fault for being lazy and not using a cover sheet, BUT he was expecting this to go directly to Anthony and probably didn't see the need for one.


On 09-13-2007
Yeah, like I'd give my personal fax number out on a message board.

My bad Rudy, Address the Fax to Anthony from Bullshido.


Nice try.


'Justin' does not exist. It will be proven on Oct 1st. As will The Duck's cowardice and lying.

[Anthony_ATT]

Hey, since I've got you here, maybe you could answer a question for me. Now, I know you probably get asked this a lot, working in p0rn and all, so forgive me if I've forced you to repeat yourself, but, well...
...are your tits real?

Victory for me! I got the pompous KC Elbows to break his usual smug internet personna! W00T! What did it? The tinfoil hat comment? The cult burn? Or is it because, you would never step up in real life?

You can ask Rudy, that is if he fights on the 1st.

[Anthony_ATT]

Oh, Anthony will be there. Not a doubt in my mind. If The Duck shows, he will pull a 'JFS duck' or something similar. No way does he fight Anthony. No way.

Straight up, you seem to be slanted toward The Duck. But you called the OfficeMax and confirmed Anthony's story(and again, props to you for doing that). Why do you think The Duck is telling lies if he really intends to fight?

Reply]
I don't think he is lying. After talking to officmax, I think what happened is the waiver was faxed to Office Max with no cover sheet. The guy I talked to there told me in an instance like that where no one would have known what it was, it would have been thrown away. This is especially so if Anthony did not tell them he was expecting a fax that particular day.

I am actually blaming Anthony for this one, because he never said it was an Offic Max number. It is part justin's fault for being lazy and not using a cover sheet, BUT he was expecting this to go directly to Anthony and probably didn't see the need for one.

You found yourself thinking sane and had to go back to Rudy land, eh?

Facts are facts:

1. Venue changed - twice
2. Date c hange - three times
3. Waiver - Promised 3 months ago, and a week left, still nothing
4. School Phone number - Disconnected
5. "Secondary Phone number" - Nobody answers
6. I drove to the school to pick up waiver - Closed, Website Blamed as a relic, yet has copyright 2007 on it
7. Rudy has now cliamed waiver has been sent twice - Both times it has not

But it's my fault because "Justin" didn't put a coversheet on the fax? DUDE HE SENT IT TWICE. HE KNEW IT WAS AN OFFICE MAX THE SECOND TIME. If he forgot the first time, why in GOD'S NAME would he forget the second? A professional businessman who owns this gym, who "promoted" the IFL at the HardRock has never used a fax machine before? Or better yet, doesn't have a toady to do it for him who does?

Why exactly is it you find you must cease reality?

[SifuAbel]

You would think a "Big Time Promoter" would know how to use a cover sheet for a fax.

THank you RD!

Yeah the office max guy told me he throws out faxes with no cover sheets.

Of course it would have helped to know that IT was frigging OFFICE MAX before hand!!!!

Anyways , I'm flying. Laters.

[SifuAbel]

But it's my fault because "Justin" didn't put a coversheet on the fax? DUDE HE SENT IT TWICE. HE KNEW IT WAS AN OFFICE MAX THE SECOND TIME.



When did this bull**** happen?

[Anthony_ATT]

Yeah the office max guy told me he throws out faxes with no cover sheets.

Of course it would have helped to know that IT was frigging OFFICE MAX before hand!!!!

Anyways , I'm flying. Laters.

F*uck off. If there was no cover sheet, you would have no place to address it to "Anthony From Bullshido" like you said you did.

Caught in another lie.

[NJM]

When did this bull**** happen?

Rudy, I have a fax machine. I could send it for you if you send it to me via email.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

I don't think Rudy said *HE* faxed it, I think he said Justin did.

[Anthony_ATT]

I don't think Rudy said *HE* faxed it, I think he said Justin did.

Fax was sent twice now.

Rudy knew it was an OFFICE MAX fax the second time.

No excuses.

I had an awesome workout today, and I am ready. The next week is just technique till fight day.

[1bad65]

Rudy, I have a fax machine. I could send it for you if you send it to me via email.


Just as he did to Jeff, he will politely reject your offer. :rolleyes:

[1bad65]

Anyways , I'm flying. Laters.


The Duck is flying south for the winter. :D

[godzillakungfu]

Okay but what's the point. Anthony is still going there on the 1st. So laying Blame at his feet is rather dumb.

When the 1st arrives, someone video tape the entire waiver signing episode. That way we can see who balks at the waiver first.

Of course, I see some stupid stipulation, that Rudy brought up a long time ago, being in the waiver.

It will cause Anthony, or any rational person, to balk. Then this thread will surpass the Shaolin-Do thread because, it will all be Anthony's fault.

[Michael Udel]

anyone else expecting a faxduck?
How bout a faxbunny???

Perhaps I could interest you in something in a F a r t in a Duck, hmmmn? Sized weird and bizarre?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRUGGy9RVrM

I can't believe the software obscures the word "f@rt".

[Mr Punch]

F*uck Vida Guerra once, hurrah.
F*uck Vida Guerra twice, need a nap...Don't you need a nap before you f*ck anyone these days, Dave?


Come on, I photoshop a waiver on a naked chick and no one even bothers to notice????I noticed. It was too big.


The whole idea is to:

F*ck Vida Guerra every chance you get. :)Keep talking. :rolleyes: That'd be no chances for any of us anytime ever then...


Stay on topic please.

Waiver, venue...

No distractions.Will these one-track geeks get off this chick thread?! :mad:



mmm grape...i can eat that all night longWell, it ain't cherry fer sure.


Badger, do you have anything constructive to add Where DO these people come from?

[1bad65]

Michael Udel, do you think The Duck will actually fight Anthony on Oct 1st?

[lkfmdc]

I noticed. It was too big.



I swear to G'd I didn't change a single WORD of that quote

but yeah, I hear that a lot from naked chicks ;)

[NJM]

God help Rudy if he were to for some reason not show.

[unkokusai]

"for some reason" like he never intended to from the get-go.

[LeeCasebolt]

I gotta hand it to you, unkokusai - this thread is, as labelled, both epic and stupid.

Someone help me out though, as either I've lost track or skimming this thread has just made me stupider - who is Abel supposedly fighting, and why?

[1bad65]

The Duck is scheduled to punk out of fighting Anthony from Bullshido on Oct 1st.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Why again?

[unkokusai]

'Cause that's just what he does.

[Shaolin Wookie]

F*uck off. If there was no cover sheet, you would have no place to address it to "Anthony From Bullshido" like you said you did.

Caught in another lie.

Dude, you guys sound like two hot-and-bothered teenagers who've seen Fight Club too many times, sending threatening faxes and waivers to each other's jobs. Officemax, no less.

Boss: "What the **** is this?"
Anthony: "You know, I'd be real careful who talked to about that. Could be some button-down Oxford cloth psycho with an AR-15 Assault rifle.....yadda yadda yadda"

Now, the question is: "Where are your parents, and why haven't they given you guys a whoopin'?"

[unkokusai]

STFU. Your attempt to build your own high ground has failed.

[Shaolin Wookie]

All I'm saying is that if this is supposed to be "professional", then sending a release waiver via the fax at this dudes job at Officemax necessitates excision of the "professional."

I match you your STFU, and raise you a SMCB (suck my ****, *****).

[Shaolin Wookie]

Unkokusai nudges his friend: "STFU....high ground.....heh, look at wookie over there walking away. I just sent him home with his tail between his legs."

Friend: "Uh, dude, that's not his tail."

[sunfist]

Several challenges ago (not the first time these two lovebirds have tried), it was all shaping up ok, there was a venue, date, time, and then Anthony mentioned he would be bringing several seconds, whom he implied would be carrying firearms. This naturally did not go well and the event proceeded to disintegrate. By anybodies standards, it was Anthony that backed out.

I dont particularly care for Rudy, and I infact agree with the general concensus that he will back out here, as he has done many times before, but all this bullshido semen is starting to make the floor slippery; just want to slow down the circlejerk a little.

[boshea]

All I'm saying is that if this is supposed to be "professional", then sending a release waiver via the fax at this dudes job at Officemax necessitates excision of the "professional."

I match you your STFU, and raise you a SMCB (suck my ****, *****).

No no no, man. You've got it all wrong. Haven't you been reading the past 100 pages? :p Anthony doesn't work at OfficeMax. OfficeMax offers a service whereby you can send and receive fax messges. I believe he deliberately used this service because, as he stated, he doesn't want to give Rudy his own office fax number.

As for why they are doing this? I know it sounds like there is a lot of bad blood between these two guys, but you got to hand it to them. They've set up a match at what looks like could be a decent venue and agreed on some rules. Rudy is a skilled kung fu practitioner with 25 years of training, and Anthony is an MMA fighter. They've both been training hard for this. It could turn out to be a really interesting fight.

Regardless of the way things have been turning out lately with the waiver and venue complications, I'm giving both of them the benefit of the doubt that they sincerely want to make this happen, and they'll sort these issues out. I wish them both well. Let's see how it turns out!

[sanjuro_ronin]

On this note we shall all hold hands and feel the love:

[Shaolin Wookie]

Uh, that's not your hand that you're holding.

[Michael Udel]

Michael Udel, do you think The Duck will actually fight Anthony on Oct 1st?
Just trying to add to the humor since somebody deleted all my best jpg's and I can't post any babe pics.

[1bad65]

Several challenges ago (not the first time these two lovebirds have tried), it was all shaping up ok, there was a venue, date, time, and then Anthony mentioned he would be bringing several seconds, whom he implied would be carrying firearms. This naturally did not go well and the event proceeded to disintegrate. By anybodies standards, it was Anthony that backed out.

You know that is a total lie. Post quotes, show PROOF. The Duck is ALWAYS ducking out. He even 'declined' to fight Djimbe's instructor, whom he had referred to as 'infirm'. If he won't fight an 'infirm' Kung-Fu guy, any idiot knows he has no plans to throw down with a guy who fought a pro-MMA fight. Get real.



I dont particularly care for Rudy, and I infact agree with the general concensus that he will back out here, as he has done many times before, but all this bullshido semen is starting to make the floor slippery; just want to slow down the circlejerk a little.

Now you say The Duck has a history of this and he is gonna duck! Make up your mind. I've said this before, you think it's bad now, you just wait until after the ducking!

[1bad65]

No no no, man. You've got it all wrong. Haven't you been reading the past 100 pages? :p Anthony doesn't work at OfficeMax. OfficeMax offers a service whereby you can send and receive fax messges. I believe he deliberately used this service because, as he stated, he doesn't want to give Rudy his own office fax number.


Another thing was that we were able to get a 3rd party to say that NO fax had been sent to Anthony. And it was RD(who is slanted towards The Duck) who confirmed it with the OfficeMax staff that no fax was sent to Anthony.

Remember, if The Duck is so determined to fight, why does he continue to lie and not answer questions?

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Another thing was that we were able to get a 3rd party to say that NO fax had been sent to Anthony. And it was RD(who is slanted towards The Duck) who confirmed it with the OfficeMax staff that no fax was sent to Anthony.

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They never told me they fax was not sent, only that they did not have it, AND if it did not have a cover sheet that it would have been thrown out if no one told them to expect it...which it appears no one did.

They probably thought it was fax spam and tossed it.

Anthony dropped the ball with this one.

[godzillakungfu]

Justin and Rudy dropped the ball when no one answered the phone.
Justin and Rudy dropped the ball when no one was at the school.
Justin and Rudy dropped the ball by allowing 2 weeks to pass with no waiver.


When you admit to this then you can say Anthony dropped the ball with the fax.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Question, what direction does the front door of the venue face? Is it south? West? East?

[1bad65]

If the waiver had been at Action Fitness like The Duck said it was, the fax would have been moot. Remember that. You people who are grasping at straws to defend The Duck are gonna look real stupid on Oct 1st.

Notice how he also declined Jeff's offer to deliver the waiver and has not taken NJM up on his offer to fax it to Anthony if The Duck will e-mail it to him. :rolleyes:

There is no waiver and there is no 'Justin'. And The Duck has no balls either.

[godzillakungfu]

If the waiver had been at Action Fitness like The Duck said it was, the fax would have been moot. Remember that. You people who are grasping at straws to defend The Duck are gonna look real stupid on Oct 1st.

Notice how he also declined Jeff's offer to deliver the waiver and has not taken NJM up on his offer to fax it to Anthony if The Duck will e-mail it to him. :rolleyes:

There is no waiver and there is no 'Justin'. And The Duck has no balls either.

Or your offer and number for that matter. Remember Rudy "doesn't" have the waiver Justin does????:rolleyes:

[1bad65]

Well considering The Duck and 'Justin' are both now in Miami(or did Justin have to leave again :D), this should be easy to get Anthony, or me, or NJM a copy of that waiver.

Hey Duck, considering 'Justin' is a promoter licensed in Florida, what is his Florida promoter's license number? ;)

[1bad65]

Or your offer and number for that matter. Remember Rudy "doesn't" have the waiver Justin does????:rolleyes:


The Duck did say there was a copy of the waiver at Action Fitness though. :rolleyes:

[Yao Sing]

Several challenges ago (not the first time these two lovebirds have tried), it was all shaping up ok, there was a venue, date, time, and then Anthony mentioned he would be bringing several seconds, whom he implied would be carrying firearms. This naturally did not go well and the event proceeded to disintegrate. By anybodies standards, it was Anthony that backed out.

I don't get this at all. You really think someone would turn a challenge match into a homicide? If one of Anthony's guys pulled a gun it would be a win for Rudy and a chicken out for Anthony. I can't imagine him letting that happen.


Regardless of the way things have been turning out lately with the waiver and venue complications, I'm giving both of them the benefit of the doubt that they sincerely want to make this happen, and they'll sort these issues out. I wish them both well. Let's see how it turns out!

Same here, both say they will be there regardless of waiver or ring. Until then it's all talk and not worth the pixels it's prosted on.

[1bad65]

And it would answer ALOT of questions.

Since the fight is over a week away, and The Duck is in Miami now, he should do this: Go out to Action Fitness, take a picture with him holding a newspaper, with Justin next to him holding up his promoter's licence and a copy of the waiver, in the OPEN doorway of Action Fitness. ;)

Take closer pics of the paper and license if the dates/names are not legible on the other picture.

That's a pretty good idea, isn't it? :D

[godzillakungfu]

Anthony was able to do this why not?

All I would ask is for a business license ID.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

I think Rudy should just go to OfficeMax, have them scan the waiver and then he should just post it on all the related forums.

[godzillakungfu]

Even a better suggestion.

[1bad65]

Good idea. He should do both, but RD's first. His is EASY, there is no VALID excuse why he can't do that.

[1bad65]

I'm surprised we did not hear from The Duck yet about his arriving in Miami.

I did not hear anything about a plane crash in the news, so that's one less excuse. ;)

[Mr Punch]

Question, what direction does the front door of the venue face? Is it south? West? East?

Don't tell him! It's the black arts I tell ya!

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

I actually already figured it out. I was trying to figure out which building it was on Google earth.

[sunfist]

You know that is a total lie. Post quotes, show PROOF. The Duck is ALWAYS ducking out. He even 'declined' to fight Djimbe's instructor, whom he had referred to as 'infirm'. If he won't fight an 'infirm' Kung-Fu guy, any idiot knows he has no plans to throw down with a guy who fought a pro-MMA fight. Get real.

Its true. Ill be interested to hear if anyone from bullshido remembers it, or if theres been a mass event of selective amnesia :p

As for digging up the thread, presuming it still exists on the current forum, that would require the search function.


Now you say The Duck has a history of this and he is gonna duck! Make up your mind. I've said this before, you think it's bad now, you just wait until after the ducking!

You dont get it, do you. Just because Rudy is an absolute flake doesnt mean the other party isnt also full of sh1t. Get your head out from between A's legs long enough, and you might see that most people knew Rudy's ways before you came along, and those who didnt are the kind of people who think JFS beat osiris, who you will never win over.

Im sure there will indeed be much circlejerking later on, regardless of what happens. But the semen, please try and contain it.

[sunfist]

I don't get this at all. You really think someone would turn a challenge match into a homicide? If one of Anthony's guys pulled a gun it would be a win for Rudy and a chicken out for Anthony. I can't imagine him letting that happen.

The implication was that they would keep things fair, so dont try anything shifty sucka etc. Its an internet toughguy thing (which is, lets face it, all any of these little get-togethers are).

[Anthony_ATT]

The implication was that they would keep things fair, so dont try anything shifty sucka etc. Its an internet toughguy thing (which is, lets face it, all any of these little get-togethers are).

Considering a fair amount of my crew that will be there are LEO's and one Federal Officer, you won't have to worry about any kind of s*hit happening.

I want to fight. End of story. I've accepted every change, to venue, to date, and still waiting for waiver.

F*uck, I'm even growing out my nails because Rudy says Clawwing is legal.

Let's get it on already.

[Knifefighter]

C

F*uck, I'm even growing out my nails because Rudy says Clawwing is legal.
.

Don't forget to sharpen them.

[unkokusai]

If Rudy ever does show up he'll probably offer to paint them for you.

[RonH]

Considering a fair amount of my crew that will be there are LEO's and one Federal Officer, you won't have to worry about any kind of s*hit happening.

I want to fight. End of story. I've accepted every change, to venue, to date, and still waiting for waiver.

F*uck, I'm even growing out my nails because Rudy says Clawwing is legal.

Let's get it on already.

You have a week till the fight. This is the time you should really intensify your training. Both you *and* Abel should be. It's crunch time. Every rep counts.

[1bad65]

You have a week till the fight. This is the time you should really intensify your training. Both you *and* Abel should be. It's crunch time. Every rep counts.


You really are clueless about fighting.

[Yao Sing]

I want RonH coaching the guy I fight. :)

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

You have a week till the fight. This is the time you should really intensify your training. Both you *and* Abel should be. It's crunch time. Every rep counts.

Wrong, now is time to go into rest, and recovery mode. Work skills, but don't over tax yourself. You want to be a s strong and fresh as can be come fight time.

Protine load the day before the fight, Carbo load day of the fight.

In the hours just preceding the fight, warm up with moderate cardio, then spend a good long time stretching so you are fully loose. Right before, run through your bread and butter techniques lightly, with a few bursts of power, but don't tire yourself.

[Anthony_ATT]

You have a week till the fight. This is the time you should really intensify your training. Both you *and* Abel should be. It's crunch time. Every rep counts.

You've never fought before, have you?

My crunch time has passed. This is the last week. It's all technique, cardio, and refining.

[Shaolin Wookie]

In other words, lots of more internet posting, trying desperately to push this most retarded of threads beyond the length of all the other most retarded of threads, before this comical professional fight goes down.

[godzillakungfu]

In other words, lots of more internet posting, trying desperately to push this most retarded of threads beyond the length of all the other most retarded of threads, before this comical professional fight goes down.

Yet you still post in the Shaolin-Do thread.:)

[godzillakungfu]

You have a week till the fight. This is the time you should really intensify your training. Both you *and* Abel should be. It's crunch time. Every rep counts.

Have you even competed and I'm not even talking about fighting? This isn't a dig I'm just curious. You do not overload the week before the fight. It is to late for "reps" to count.

[NJM]

Have you even competed and I'm not even talking about fighting? This isn't a dig I'm just curious. You do not overload the week before the fight. It is to late for "reps" to count.

Thank you for saying that.

It's called "tapering down", RonH.

[godzillakungfu]

Thank you for saying that.

It's called "tapering down", RonH.

That's the phrase I was looking for, it's been awhile since I competed.

[NJM]

I wonder if Rudy is going to ingest some Chinese Medicine before the fight...

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

I would.



.......................

[Knifefighter]

You have a week till the fight. This is the time you should really intensify your training. Both you *and* Abel should be. It's crunch time. Every rep counts.

Once again, Ron shows his complete and utter cluelessness.

[boshea]

I wonder if Rudy is going to ingest some Chinese Medicine before the fight...

I would.



.......................

Why? Is Rudy sick or injured?

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

I don't know what Rudy's Herbal heritage is in his Tai Tzu lineage, but mine has an herbal training wine that heightens all my physical abilities, and also improves timing and spacial awareness. If I was going to be in a fight, I am taking some 2 hours before fight time so I am at my absolute best.

[boshea]

I don't know what Rudy's Herbal heritage is in his Tai Tzu lineage, but mine has an herbal training wine that heightens all my physical abilities, and also improves timing and spacial awareness. If I was going to be in a fight, I am taking some 2 hours before fight time so I am at my absolute best.

Does this wine contain alcohol?

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Depends. It seems to work best when made with alcohol, but I am not really a drinker, and I generally simmer the alcohol out of it as the last step in the preparation.

I used to make it by boiling the herbs for 3 days straight....but it's hard to keep a woman in the house when it smells like bizzar exotic herbs.

[1bad65]

The Duck has been MIA since getting to Florida. Do we need to put his fat face on a milk carton?

[Knifefighter]

The Duck has been MIA since getting to Florida. Do we need to put his fat face on a milk carton?

He's been here.

[NJM]

I don't know what Rudy's Herbal heritage is in his Tai Tzu lineage, but mine has an herbal training wine that heightens all my physical abilities, and also improves timing and spacial awareness. If I was going to be in a fight, I am taking some 2 hours before fight time so I am at my absolute best.

http://www.plumdragonherbs.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/24/products_id/78

Maybe he should take the red pill before the fight. :eek:

[1bad65]

He's been here.

Just have not seen him post since he said he was flying, my bad.

[1bad65]

Why? Is Rudy sick or injured?


Knee surgery perhaps? :D

[jo]

The Duck has been MIA since getting to Florida. Do we need to put his fat face on a milk carton?

He has been secretly training with Whacko Jacko on his "Mastah Killer Super Old Frame Chu Gar Plus Jook Lum Wit A Touch 'O LYS Secret Dim Mak".

Roody wil become another one the beeyotches who scream "I fallen, and I can't get up!".

And he can always fall back on the old favorite, "Mah sheet be too deadly tah sho yah!"

-jo

[bawang]

so is this happening or not?

[cjurakpt]

You have a week till the fight. This is the time you should really intensify your training. Both you *and* Abel should be. It's crunch time. Every rep counts.

also, have sex about an hour beforehand and then drink a 1/2 gallon of milk and eat a big plate of spaghetti and meatballs 15 minutes before you get in the ring

trust me...:cool:

[unkokusai]

I wonder if Rudy is going to ingest some Chinese before the fight...

Oh, is Rudy's current boyfriend Chinese?

[1bad65]

Only one week left!

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

also, have sex about an hour beforehand and then drink a 1/2 gallon of milk and eat a big plate of spaghetti and meatballs 15 minutes before you get in the ring

trust me...

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Actually, due to me being Italian, sex before a fight would be a good thing!! I allways do better after sex!!

[MasterKiller]

also, have sex about an hour beforehand and then drink a 1/2 gallon of milk and eat a big plate of spaghetti and meatballs 15 minutes before you get in the ring

trust me...

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Actually, due to me being Italian, sex before a fight would be a good thing!! I allways do better after sex!!

He meant sex with girls...

[sanjuro_ronin]

Italian TV Hostess...

[1bad65]

Oh, is Rudy's current boyfriend Chinese?


He may be, I know The Duck split up with JFS after the Osiris debacle.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

He meant sex with girls...

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Who else are you gonna have sex with? You speak as if you think there are options or something!

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

pamela-david4.jpg

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Now THAT is my dream girl!!

I have a cousin in Lucca that is into Tv. She does weather I think.

[boshea]

also, have sex about an hour beforehand and then drink a 1/2 gallon of milk and eat a big plate of spaghetti and meatballs 15 minutes before you get in the ring

trust me...

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Actually, due to me being Italian, sex before a fight would be a good thing!! I allways do better after sex!!

There are varying opinions on this, but most trainers will want their fighter to abstain from sex for at least a couple weeks before a fight. The Thais say it makes the legs weak (kicking being big in Muay Thai). Some say sex takes focus off of training. Others say the sexual frustration caused by abstinence makes a more aggressive fighter.

[SifuAbel]

RELEASE AND WAIVER OF LIABILITY, VIDEO RELEASE,
ASSUMPTION OF RISK AND IDEMNITY AGREEMENT

DESCRIPTION AND LOCATION
OF SCHEDULED EVENT(S): Training, sparring, fighting and video taping at Action Fitness Center, 15195 N.E. 21st Avenue, North Miami Beach, Florida 33162.

DATE RELEASE SIGNED: October 1, 2007.

In consideration of being permitted to compete, officiate, observe, work for, or participate in any way in the event(s) (the “Event” or “Project”) or being permitted to enter for any purpose any restricted area (defined as any area requiring special authorization, credentials, or permission to enter or any area to which admission by the general public is restricted or prohibited), each of the undersigned (the “Participant(s)”), for himself, his personal representatives, heirs, and next of kin:

1. Acknowledges, agrees, and represents that he has or will immediately upon entering any of such restricted areas, and will continuously thereafter, inspect the restricted areas which he enters, and he/she further agrees and warrants that, if at any time, he is in or about restricted areas and he feels anything to be unsafe, he will immediately advise the officials of such and if necessary will leave the restricted areas and/or refuse to participate further in the event(s).

2. Hereby releases, waives, discharges and covenants not to sue the promoters, participants, associations, sanctioning organizations or any subdivision thereof, operators, owners, officials, equipment owners, fighters, doctors, rescue personnel, attorneys, any persons in any restricted area, promoters, sponsors, advertisers, owners and lessees of premises used to conduct the event(s), premises and event inspectors, surveyors, underwriters, consultants and others who give recommendations, directions, or instructions or engage in risk evaluation or loss control activities regarding the premises or event(s) and each of them, their directors, officers, agents and employees (all for the purpose herein referred to as “Releasees”) from all liability to the undersigned, his personal representatives, assigns, heirs, and next of kin for any and all loss or damage, and any claim or demands therefore on account of injury to the person or property or resulting in death of the undersigned arising out of or related to the event(s), whether caused by the negligence of the Releasees or otherwise.

3. Hereby agrees to indemnify and save and hold harmless the Releasees and each of them from any loss, liability, damage, or cost they may incur arising out of or related to the event(s) whether caused by the negligence of the Releasees or otherwise.

4. Hereby assumes full responsibility for any risk of bodily injury, death or property damage arising out of or related to the event(s) whether caused by the negligence of Releasees or otherwise.
5. Hereby acknowledges that the activities of the event(s) are very dangerous and involve the risk of serious injury and/or death and/or property damage. Each of the undersigned, also expressly acknowledges that injuries received may be compounded or increased by negligent rescue operations or procedures of the Releasees.

6. Hereby agree that Action Fitness Center will own all copyright ownership of all footage, video or otherwise, of Participant(s), as you are a “work for hire” employee as that term is commonly used in the industry. You will contribute your likeness and video performance of you on the premises during the date and time of the Project. You agree to the recording and/or broadcasting of your contribution subject to the conditions here outlined, and hereby grant to us, Action Fitness Center, all consents necessary to enable us to make the fullest use of the contribution in the Project throughout the universe in perpetuity by any and all means in any and all media, whether now known or hereafter developed or discovered, without liability or acknowledgement to you and the right to issue publicity concerning the Project and you as Participant(s) and for such purpose to use and reproduce your name and photograph and recordings of your contribution. In recognition of the needs of film, television, and internet production, we shall be entitled to edit, copy, add to, take from, adapt or translate your contribution as we see fit and you irrevocably waive the benefits of any provision of law known as "moral rights" or any similar laws of any jurisdiction. We shall credit you in accordance with industry standards currently in force.

7. Hereby agrees that this Release and Waiver of Liability, Assumption of Risk and Indemnity Agreement extends to all acts of negligence by the Releasees, including negligent rescue operations and is intended to be as broad and inclusive as is permitted by the laws of the State of Florida and that if any portion thereof is held invalid, it is agreed that the balance shall, notwithstanding, continue in full legal force and effect.

8. Hereby agree that they, together with their respective representatives, have participated in the drafting, preparation and negotiation of this Agreement. Each of the Participants acknowledge such participation and negotiation in order to avoid the application of any rule construing contractual language against the drafter thereof and agrees the provisions of this Agreement shall be construed without prejudice to the party who actually memorialized this Agreement to form.

I HAVE READ THIS RELEASE AND WAIVER OF LIABILITY, ASSUMPTION OF RISK AND INDEMNITY AGREEMENT, FULLY UNDERSTAND ITS TERMS, UNDERSTAND THAT I HAVE GIVEN UP SUBSTANTIAL RIGHTS BY SIGNING IT, AND HAVE SIGNED IT FREELY AND VOLUNTARILY WITHOUT ANY INDUCEMENT, ASSURANCE OR GUARANTEE BEING MADE TO ME AND INTEND MY SIGNATURE TO BE A COMPLETEAND UNCONDITIONAL RELEASE OF ALL LIABILITY TO THE GREATEST EXTENT ALLOWED BY LAW.

Signed, Sealed & Delivered
in the Presence of:
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Print Name: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
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Print Name: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ PARTICIPANT:

By:____________________________________
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[SifuAbel]

Video of me at the gym http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lxf4VJdA9c
Time has not changed. I have emailed anthony@bullshido.com. Waiting for his response.

[1bad65]

That waiver is COMPLETE BULL****!

Action Fitness has ALL THE VIDEO RIGHTS?!?!?! WTF! You are ducking!

[1bad65]

#6 is the issue, Duck! Take it out. BOTH sides can release the video, NOT JUST YOU! You are covering up where JFS didn't!

Leave it to you to find a loophole. Why are you scared of Anthony having video rights, that's total bull**** and you know it. BOTH SIDES GET VIDEO RIGHTS. That's standard practice, coward.

[MasterKiller]

That waiver is COMPLETE BULL****!

Action Fitness has ALL THE VIDEO RIGHTS?!?!?! WTF! You are ducking!

If your boy doesn't fight because of video rights, he's looking for a way out.

[1bad65]

Why does ONLY ONE SIDE get the rights? That's horse **** and you know it. The rest of the waiver is fine, IMO(though I'm not a lawyer).

[MasterKiller]

Why does ONLY ONE SIDE get the rights? That's horse **** and you know it. The rest of the waiver is fine, IMO(though I'm not a lawyer).

Action Fitness is a 3rd party. Suck it up.

[godzillakungfu]

If your boy doesn't fight because of video rights, he's looking for a way out.

Does he get a few minutes to answer? I mean you guys gave Rudy 3 months why can't Anthony get a day to review the waiver?

[1bad65]

"....we shall be entitled to edit, copy, add to, take from, adapt or translate your contribution as we see fit and you irrevocably waive the benefits of any provision of law known as "moral rights" or any similar laws of any jurisdiction."


And this is fair!?!?! Bro, put down the Kool-Aid. That's ridiculous! Free to COPY, ADD TO, TAKE FROM! What a joke.

[Anthony_ATT]

If your boy doesn't fight because of video rights, he's looking for a way out.

Bullsh*t.

My likeness and name to be used?

You are out of your mind.

This was supposed to be a simple fight. Rudy agreed to his side videos, and I video. End of story.

I knew 3 months before and posted that Rudy would pull this crap.

2 venues
3 date changes
3 months for waiver, I drive down to pick it up, the place is closed even though Rudy said it's open.

I AGREED TO IT ALL

Now we have Video Rights.

You are a bonafide idiot if you even think I would sign my rights away, and I'm ducking because of it.

Wonder why it took so long for the waiver to get here? Last minute, so that any other answer would be a duck.

Our legal team is looking this over.

[MasterKiller]

Does he get a few minutes to answer? I mean you guys gave Rudy 3 months why can't Anthony get a day to review the waiver?

I didn't give anybody anything. But 1bad65 seems to be ATT's mouth for him, so I was responding to him.

[Anthony_ATT]

Action Fitness is a 3rd party. Suck it up.

Ummm , no it's not.

Action Fitness is Rudy's Friend, the promoter.

Who's interest do you think they have?

[Yao Sing]

While that shouldn't be a reason to NOT fight I would think there should be some language to keep the video as a whole and not allow either side to cut and edit it in a way to make the other look foolish.

I'm sure lkfmdc could do wonders with it and make even the winner look like a tool.

[1bad65]

I didn't give anybody anything. But 1bad65 seems to be ATT's mouth for him, so I was responding to him.


And you are The Duck's. That waiver is a way to duck out. PERIOD. Dude, Anthony called it 3 months ago, too. Wake up.

[Anthony_ATT]

While that shouldn't be a reason to NOT fight I would think there should be some language to keep the video as a whole and not allow either side to cut and edit it in a way to make the other look foolish.

I'm sure lkfmdc could do wonders with it and make even the winner look like a tool.

Would you sign your name and likeness to be used by them as they see fit?

[Yao Sing]

Would you fight UFC with same rules? Who owns UFC video rights?

Edit: Since it's just an a$$ whooping it shouldn't matter but like I said I would want it ammended release in full only.

[1bad65]

While that shouldn't be a reason to NOT fight I would think there should be some language to keep the video as a whole and not allow either side to cut and edit it in a way to make the other look foolish.

I'm sure lkfmdc could do wonders with it and make even the winner look like a tool.

Just take out #6. Put in it's place: 'Both sides are free to tape said event and release it how they see fit in it's original form and content.' And I'm no lawyer.


And anyone, ON THE DUCK'S SIDE, could indeed edit it, etc. That #6 is a total BS stipulation.

[1bad65]

Would you fight UFC with same rules? Who owns UFC video rights?

Edit: Since it's just an a$$ whooping it shouldn't matter but like I said I would want it ammended release in full only.


But UFC shows the fight live, UNEDITED.

AGAIN: why does only one side get video rights? What if Anthony had sent that waiver to The Duck? I would fully expect The Duck to not sign it, and I would not blame him, as a matter of fact I would tell Anthony he was ducking. That waiver is slanted. period

[Yao Sing]

I'm sure both sides would take advantage and edit their own 'best of' fight video.

Either they both get to edit or it gets released in it's entirety.

[1bad65]

Look no further than the Oscar DeLaHoya picture controversy this week. You see what can be done to any form of media(pictures, video,etc) to get what one side wants to portray as facts.

The Duck really should be ashmed of himself.

[1bad65]

Either they both get to edit or it gets released in it's entirety.


That's my point, except both sides can tape. There MUST be video, and BOTH sides need to be able to tape it and release it, NOT JUST ONE SIDE.

[Anthony_ATT]

Would you fight UFC with same rules? Who owns UFC video rights?

Edit: Since it's just an a$$ whooping it shouldn't matter but like I said I would want it ammended release in full only.

Yao,

Rudy himself said that this isn't the UFC, or PRIDE. Why the bs with video rights?

Just another way to duck.

[godzillakungfu]

Would you fight UFC with same rules? Who owns UFC video rights?

Edit: Since it's just an a$$ whooping it shouldn't matter but like I said I would want it ammended release in full only.

Yes. I also know I'm getting paid to fight.

[Yao Sing]

Not making excuses but could this be a stipulation by the owner in exchange for using his gym?

Is he expecting to make money from the video? I really don't see how.

6. Hereby agree that Action Fitness Center will own all copyright ownership of all footage, video "or otherwise, of Participant(s), as you are a “work for hire” employee as that term is commonly used"

Doesn't this imply payment? Work for Hire = compensation for work.

[Anthony_ATT]

Not making excuses but could this be a stipulation by the owner in exchange for using his gym?

Is he expecting to make money from the video? I really don't see how.

6. Hereby agree that Action Fitness Center will own all copyright ownership of all footage, video "or otherwise, of Participant(s), as you are a “work for hire” employee as that term is commonly used"

Doesn't this imply payment? Work for Hire = compensation for work.

I didn't agree to any stipulation to fight Rudy.

This is just another attempt at ducking.

[MSphinx]

What's wrong with allowing the participants and spectators to show unedited video footage as well?

[1bad65]

Not making excuses but could this be a stipulation by the owner in exchange for using his gym?

Is he expecting to make money from the video? I really don't see how.

6. Hereby agree that Action Fitness Center will own all copyright ownership of all footage, video "or otherwise, of Participant(s), as you are a “work for hire” employee as that term is commonly used"

Doesn't this imply payment? Work for Hire = compensation for work.


Good point! So if Anthony said his fee was $100,000 to show and $100,000 to win, and they declined, by MasterKiller's logic, The Duck would be ducking out.

As for the gym owner, considering his side will have a copy, he is covered whether Anthony's side can release a copy or not. It's a way to duck. period.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Look no further than the Oscar DeLaHoya picture controversy this week. You see what can be done to any form of media(pictures, video,etc) to get what one side wants to portray as facts.

The Duck really should be ashmed of himself.

What controversy ??

[1bad65]

What's wrong with allowing the participants and spectators to show unedited video footage as well?


Good question. :D

[MasterKiller]

What controversy ??

LOL. Pics of Oscar in women's lingerie.

[Anthony_ATT]

What's wrong with allowing the participants and spectators to show unedited video footage as well?

Nothing at all.

Rudy and his Friend want the rights, to the video, to my Name, to my Likeness, to everything.

Not happening.

Rudy knows this, why else would it COME UP NOW, A WEEK BEFORE THE FIGHT?!

[sanjuro_ronin]

LOL. Pics of Oscar in women's lingerie.


:eek:
****, are you serious ?

[1bad65]

What controversy ??


Google it. Try his name and 'pictures', 'drag' , 'fishnets'.

Short version:

A stripper sold to a company pics of him supposedly dressed in drag, wearing fishnets and tu-tu's, etc. She swore they were real(they were pretty good, but not perfect Photoshopped pics). Just today she admitted they 'might not' be real. It's HUGE news in boxing circles. And ALOT of people said they looked real before she admitted it.

My point is editing vids and pics is not rocket science and giving ONLY ONE SIDE that power, AND SIGNING AWAY YOUR RIGHTS, is a very stupid thing to do. The Duck knows this so he added that ridiculous stipulation.

And remember, JFS' supporters initially claimed him getting whipped by Osiris was edited video. So BOTH SIDES need the right to tape and release video.

[SifuAbel]

Just got off the phone with AF's lawyer which stated that you are allowed under the clause to use the all images and likenesses as well as the gym.

The clause is there just to protect all of us from a third party to acquire and use our video and images without permission.

If you have any further questions, I will be sending you the lawyer's phone number over PM. DO NOT GIVE IT OUT!!

[MSphinx]

:eek:
****, are you serious ?

Here you go. Remember though: What has been seen can never be unseen...

http://x17online.com/celebrities//x17_xclusive_presenting_miss_oscar_de_la_hoya.php

[godzillakungfu]

Just got off the phone with AF's lawyer which stated that you are allowed under the clause to use the all images and likenesses as well as the gym.

The clause is there just to protect all of us from a third party to acquire and use our video and images without permission.

If you have any further questions, I will be sending you the lawyer's phone number over PM. DO NOT GIVE IT OUT!!

Then have a reworded contract drawn up.

[1bad65]

Then have a reworded contract drawn up.


Sounds good. If this is true, props to you Rudy.


I still bet there will be no fight, and that it will not be Anthony's fault.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Here you go. Remember though: What has been seen can never be unseen...

http://x17online.com/celebrities//x17_xclusive_presenting_miss_oscar_de_la_hoya.php

MY EYES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Yao Sing]

Just got off the phone with AF's lawyer which stated that you are allowed under the clause to use the all images and likenesses as well as the gym.

The clause is there just to protect all of us from a third party to acquire and use our video and images without permission.

If you have any further questions, I will be sending you the lawyer's phone number over PM. DO NOT GIVE IT OUT!!

I'm not a lawyer but I don't see it saying anything like that. I'll look again.

And the "in perpetuity" could be detrimental to Anthony's future pro MMA career.

[godzillakungfu]

And the "in perpetuity" could be detrimental to Anthony's future pro MMA career.

Ha Ha you said career.:p

[godzillakungfu]

MY EYES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She's backing off the statement that they are real but, who knows.

[Yao Sing]

Ha Ha you said career.:p

My bad. :D

I don't see any big value in the video other than to keep the other side honest. But it could be a requirement for using the gym.

[1bad65]

My bad. :D

I don't see any big value in the video other than to keep the other side honest. But it could be a requirement for using the gym.


Why do they want the rights to "EDIT, copy, ADD TO, TAKE FROM, adapt or translate your contribution as we see fit..." :rolleyes:

[sanjuro_ronin]

Seems like a standard waiver for an "event fight", which this is not, so that pasr should be easily negotiable.

[Tomas]

NOW I know why properly recorded Kung Fu challenge matches usually don't happen. They all have clause 6 in the "contract".

"6. Hereby agree that Action Fitness Center will own all copyright ownership of all footage, video or otherwise, of Participant(s), as you are a “work for hire” employee as that term is commonly used in the industry. You will contribute your likeness and video performance of you on the premises during the date and time of the Project. You agree to the recording and/or broadcasting of your contribution subject to the conditions here outlined, and hereby grant to us, Action Fitness Center, all consents necessary to enable us to make the fullest use of the contribution in the Project throughout the universe in perpetuity by any and all means in any and all media, whether now known or hereafter developed or discovered, without liability or acknowledgement to you and the right to issue publicity concerning the Project and you as Participant(s) and for such purpose to use and reproduce your name and photograph and recordings of your contribution. In recognition of the needs of film, television, and internet production, we shall be entitled to edit, copy, add to, take from, adapt or translate your contribution as we see fit and you irrevocably waive the benefits of any provision of law known as "moral rights" or any similar laws of any jurisdiction. We shall credit you in accordance with industry standards currently in force. "

Sifu Abel, this was pathetic.

[1bad65]

Just got off the phone with AF's lawyer which stated that you are allowed under the clause to use the all images and likenesses as well as the gym.


This is another lie! As the 'waiver' is written now, the above statment is 100% false. Stipulation #6 needs to be removed.

[1bad65]

NOW I know why propperly recorded Kung Fu challenge matches usually don't happen. They all have clause 6 in the "contract".

Sifu Abel, this was pathetic.

The voice of reason.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

RUDY,
PM me a cell number, or a number where you can be reached easily.

[Tomas]

Here you go. Remember though: What has been seen can never be unseen...

http://x17online.com/celebrities//x17_xclusive_presenting_miss_oscar_de_la_hoya.php

I mean, aside of all the hype, he's quite a dish isn't he...
:)
And I like it how his technique still shows in that pic in fishnet with gloves on.

Tomas

[Lucas]

I agree. #6 should at the very least be altered to the point to include all involved parties full rights to the video footage.

easily done IMO.

[Tomas]

Does anyone own the rights to this thread? If not, I'm going to publish it in a book form with a possible movie adaptation. I'm thinking of hiring Woody Allen to do the dialogues. Rudy can star as himself.

[Anthony_ATT]

I agree. #6 should at the very least be altered to the point to include all involved parties full rights to the video footage.

easily done IMO.

#6 needs to be deleted. My name and likeness is my property, and being hired for this project is false.

Our legal team is on this.

[godzillakungfu]

I'm thinking of hiring Woody Allen to do the dialogues. Rudy can star as himself.

Definitely a comedy.

[1bad65]

RUDY,
PM me a cell number, or a number where you can be reached easily.


OMG! He left his #1 nutrider out of the loop!

[1bad65]

Rudy can star as himself.


The Duck would not show up for filming. :D

[Yao Sing]

I would ask for FAIR compensation for the video performance if they want to keep #6. By fair I mean what is it worth to you for them to have the video, not $100,000.

Realistically, what's it worth to you to fight Rudy. You seemed to have been prepared to do it for free. What the pay rate for a low level MMA match?

Keep in mind there is no payed attendance or potential profits from the video.

Then it's either drop the clause or pay the man for it. What's the video worth to the other side? Maybe make Anthony a money offer?

If it's not worth anything then drop it. Seems fair to me.

[1bad65]

I would ask for FAIR compensation for the video performance if they want to keep #6. By fair I mean what is it worth to you for them to have the video, not $100,000.

The $100,000 was, as Rush Limbaugh says, 'demonstrating absurdity by being absurd'.



Realistically, what's it worth to you to fight Rudy. You seemed to have been prepared to do it for free. What the pay rate for a low level MMA match?

Depends on many factors. I'm sure Brock Lesnar made ALOT more than about 99.99% than other guys make on their debuts.



Keep in mind there is no payed attendance or potential profits from the video.

There well could be potential profits. You cannot say for certain there won't be.




Then it's either drop the clause or pay the man for it. What's the video worth to the other side? Maybe make Anthony a money offer?

If it's not worth anything then drop it. Seems fair to me.

Who demanded ALL the right in the first place? Including the rights to EDIT, ADD TO, and TAKE OUT? Ask yourself that...

[godzillakungfu]

I would ask for FAIR compensation for the video performance if they want to keep #6. By fair I mean what is it worth to you for them to have the video, not $100,000.

Realistically, what's it worth to you to fight Rudy. You seemed to have been prepared to do it for free. What the pay rate for a low level MMA match?

Keep in mind there is no payed attendance or potential profits from the video.

Then it's either drop the clause or pay the man for it. What's the video worth to the other side? Maybe make Anthony a money offer?

If it's not worth anything then drop it. Seems fair to me.
Yep. Reasonable solution

Pay the man to keep the rights or, drop it all together. Right now it sounds likw they want everything for free.

[Yao Sing]

I know who asked in the first place but there's a week left to iron out this last wrinkle and I'm in favor of it happening. Since you DON'T want it to happen your comments are useless chatter.

And this isn't exactly his MMA debut.

[Knifefighter]

Signing away video rights, as per #6, is common in many competitions, including grappling matches.

Nothing wrong with it as long as he signs one giving away his rights to the video that Anthony makes.

This part needs to be changed...

"Hereby agree that Action Fitness Center will own all copyright ownership of all footage, video or otherwise, of Participant(s), as you are a “work for hire” employee as that term is commonly used in the industry."

... to reflect that each side will own copyrights to their respective videos.

I'm not an attorney, but I did have several business law classes in college. If I remember correctly, a contract needs to have some kind of consideration (i.e. payment) to be enforceable. Not to mention the fact that this document is mixing and matching a realease of liability, informed consent, and contractual obligations all together- which could also make it potentially unenforceable.

Whatever the case, I have a feeling that a halfway decent attorney could find that this is an unenforceable document.

[Knifefighter]

Here's my prediction of how the duckage will occur. Anthony shows up with his own video crew ready to sign the document. The owner of the facility says no "other" recording allowed. Anthony says, "OK... let's do it outside." Owner says, "Not in my parking lot you don't."

[godzillakungfu]

Signing away video rights, as per #6, is common in many competitions, including grappling matches.

Nothing wrong with it as long as he signs one giving away his rights to the video that Anthony makes.

This part needs to be changed...

"Hereby agree that Action Fitness Center will own all copyright ownership of all footage, video or otherwise, of Participant(s), as you are a “work for hire” employee as that term is commonly used in the industry."

... to reflect that each side will own copyrights to their respective videos.

I'm not an attorney, but I did have several business law classes in college. If I remember correctly, a contract needs to have some kind of consideration (i.e. payment) to be enforceable. Not to mention the fact that this document is mixing and matching a realease of liability, informed consent, and contractual obligations all together- which could also make it potentially unenforceable.

Whatever the case, I have a feeling that a halfway decent attorney could find that this is an unenforceable document.
See you are reading it the way I am. It is a contract not a waiver of liability.

[Anthony_ATT]

Signing away video rights, as per #6, is common in many competitions, including grappling matches.

Nothing wrong with it as long as he signs one giving away his rights to the video that Anthony makes.

This part needs to be changed...

"Hereby agree that Action Fitness Center will own all copyright ownership of all footage, video or otherwise, of Participant(s), as you are a “work for hire” employee as that term is commonly used in the industry."

... to reflect that each side will own copyrights to their respective videos.

I'm not an attorney, but I did have several business law classes in college. If I remember correctly, a contract needs to have some kind of consideration (i.e. payment) to be enforceable. Not to mention the fact that this document is mixing and matching a realease of liability, informed consent, and contractual obligations all together- which could also make it potentially unenforceable.

Whatever the case, I have a feeling that a halfway decent attorney could find that this is an unenforceable document.

I'm know f*ck all as a lawyer, but I do know that I was promised a

WAIVER

not a

CONTRACT

to sign for this fight. Action Fitness was nothing but a venue for us to fight in, nothing more, nothing less. Video, the rights to my name, and likness, have nothing to do with this fight or Action Fitness.

Now you all know why I wanted this ahead of time. I called this happening 3 months ago.

[Anthony_ATT]

[QUOTE=Knifefighter;798827]Signing away video rights, as per #6, is common in many competitions, including grappling matches.

This is between me and Rudy, not Action Fitness, who wants the right to my name, likeness, and all video rights. I never agreed to this, and called this 3 months ago on Bullshido



Nothing wrong with it as long as he signs one giving away his rights to the video that Anthony makes.



Rudy agreed 3 months ago that I could bring anyone I want to video tape it, nothing about video rights for anyone.




This part needs to be changed...

"Hereby agree that Action Fitness Center will own all copyright ownership of all footage, video or otherwise, of Participant(s), as you are a “work for hire” employee as that term is commonly used in the industry."

... to reflect that each side will own copyrights to their respective videos.

I'm not an attorney, but I did have several business law classes in college. If I remember correctly, a contract needs to have some kind of consideration (i.e. payment) to be enforceable. Not to mention the fact that this document is mixing and matching a realease of liability, informed consent, and contractual obligations all together- which could also make it potentially unenforceable.

Whatever the case, I have a feeling that a halfway decent attorney could find that this is an unenforceable document.

Action Fitness has nothing to do with Rudy and me other than being the venue. I never agreed to any of the above.

What this is, this whole mishmash of waiver and contract, is Ducking by Proxy.

[Knifefighter]

Anthony-

You have access to an attorney, right? Have him look at it and advise you.

[Anthony_ATT]

Anthony-

You have access to an attorney, right? Have him look at it and advise you.

Already done compadre. They've been waiting for a few months now, since it was promised 3 months ago.

On a side note, talked to the Promoter of Absolute Fighting Championship and Panther Fights down here in South Fla, he recommended I "NOT" sign this, as it waives all my rights.

[1bad65]

Remember who all was saying THREE MONTHS AGO that The Duck would find a way out. I love how for those three months NOT ONE WORD was said about video rights, and now with one week to go it gets made an issue by The Duck. If everyone get EQUAL rights to post the video, the fight is on. Which side is demanding 100% of the rights? :rolleyes:


Another interesting thing to note: where was The Duck on that video? :cool:

[cjurakpt]

the document posted by Rudy, as correctly noted by several others, is not solely a waiver, because it involves AF in a contractual capacity; this is very strange, because why AF would even care about ownership of video rights makes no sense; simply put, the entire document should have no mention of AF, because the waiver is solely between Rudy and Anthony; as for compensation, AF should simply charge them an hourly rental fee for use of the facility AND have them both sign a waiver indemnifying AF, as would be typical for any venue that didn't want to be liable for someone getting their head based on a turnbuckle; if AF has a no video policy, that's another story, which is certainly their purview to enfore; however, if Rudy set up the bout there, he would have to have mentioned that both sides were planning to tape it, and at thaat point would have been told by AF that it was a no go, etc.;

for something that on face value seems reasonably simple - two people getting together to beat the crap out of each other like civilised human beings - there has been a plethora of really pis$ ant bumps in the road, "Clause #6" being only the latest - quite frankly, if it were me, there is no way in h-e-l-l I would sign it as currently written, and if Anthony doesn't sign it, that would certainly not constitute backing out - but if his leagl team changes it to give parity to both sides and AF is ok with it, then it should be a go...

[Mr Punch]

Just got off the phone with AF's lawyer which stated that you are allowed under the clause to use the all images and likenesses as well as the gym.

The clause is there just to protect all of us from a third party to acquire and use our video and images without permission.This must be AF's lawyer being crafty: it clearly states that all copyright to any footage is owned by AF. Therefore you are not allowed to any of the images or likenesses.

It's bull.

Whether it's Abel's bull or the lawyer's bull (I'd go with the latter in this case) is totally irrelevant: it makes the clause unworkable based on what was agreed previously by er... Fat Boy and er... Fatter Boy.

Rewriting the clause shouldn't be a problem.

[SifuAbel]

I provided toney with the lawyer's phone number. He can call and get any clause he wants changed.

We need to get this up and running by wed. We are coordinating people and film crews to the site. We have to have a real nay or yeay on this. The only clause you have a problem with is #6. So you have read and understood the rest of the document. So fine fix it with the guy and sign it.

[1bad65]

I provided toney with the lawyer's phone number. He can call and get any clause he wants changed.

We need to get this up and running by wed. We are coordinating people and film crews to the site. We have to have a real nay or yeay on this. The only clause you have a problem with is #6. So you have read and understood the rest of the document. So fine fix it with the guy and sign it.


WHY THE HELL WAS THIS NOT DONE THREE MONTHS AGO, DUCK?



Who saw this coming? ;)

From 8-13-07:


I'm guessing Rudy is going to send a waiver, LAST MINUTE, that is totally ridiculous and then accuse Anthony of ducking. Remember Rudy HIMSELF stated 'The waiver is coming' over 2 months ago. :rolleyes:

[Mr Punch]

WHY THE HELL WAS THIS NOT DONE THREE MONTHS AGO, DUCK?Reasonable question, but then again, why the hell does it matter? If Anthony's guys can call the lawyer and change Clause 6 so easily fair enough, it's all on. If not, then you have something to gob off about.

[OsirisBJJ]

STFU with the blame game. Now that we have something, we can the ball rolling and this may actually happen.

[Anthony_ATT]

I provided toney with the lawyer's phone number. He can call and get any clause he wants changed.

We need to get this up and running by wed. We are coordinating people and film crews to the site. We have to have a real nay or yeay on this. The only clause you have a problem with is #6. So you have read and understood the rest of the document. So fine fix it with the guy and sign it.

Hilarious.

We waited 3 months to get the waiver from Rudy. He gives me 48 hours.

Absolutely hilarious.

You will have an answer by wednesday.

[unkokusai]

How obvious is it that this BS is just step one in Ducking Plan Alpha. That's what rudy has really been working on for the last 3 months.

[Anthony_ATT]

While we are waiting for my team to go over the waiver and subsequent changes.

Let's go over the rules Rudy.

Rudy Abel set the rules at:
No Groin
No Eyes
Respect the tap


The ref is there to ensure that those rules are followed. Nothing else.

Should there be blood, fight is paused, and the bleeding fighter is checked to see if he can continue.

Simple.